If any of ya’ll have some KitKat alternatives I’m listening. Currently enjoying Kinder Bueno but am ready for something else.
American Kit Kats are made by the Hershey company and no money goes to Nestlé.
Explanation:
Kit Kat used to be a Rowntree’s product, and Hershey bought the right to make the candy in the U.S. in perpetuity back in 1970. When Nestlé bought Rowtree’s, they had to abide by the contract to license out the Kit Kat for no royalties, because the only condition of the agreement is that Hershey loses the license if the company ever gets sold. And since selling the Kit Kat bar is so valuable, buying Hershey for what it’s currently worth would mean instantly losing a large amount of Hershey’s value, so even when they’ve tried to find a buyer, nobody will buy the company—even Nestlé refused to buy Hershey in 2002.
If you’re in the US, KitKat here is made by Hershey.
But look at Nature Valley “Chocolate Peanut Butter Wafer Bars.” As someone who likes both, they’re not the same - they’re better, as long as you like peanut butter.
Looks like it, unfortunately.
They also make Coffee Crisp, which is a shame, as I used to stock up on them whenever I visited.
If you are in the United States, you are giving your money to Hershey for Kit Kat; it is licensed from Nestlé based on a previous deal with the original owner of the brand. I don’t know the exact details of the contract, but it appears that it was a lump sum payment which means no money goes to Nestlé for Kit Kat sales in the US.
Still, Hershey is not much better, and this factoid is irrelevant if you are NOT buying the US version. Similar options include Tim Tam, Double Time, Dido, Trader Joe’s Wafer Cookie, Milka Leo or Choco Wafer, Little Secrets Crispy Wafers, and any number of other generic chocolate wafers. You can also make your own: https://www.inthekitchenwithmatt.com/homemade-kit-kats.
Fuck Nestlé
Shouldn’t be hard, as almost everything Nestle makes tastes like crap.
Well that’s subjective, but I see your point, there are definitely much higher quality products out there. But if you grew up with some of their products, there is the nostalgia factor, plus if you can’t afford the higher quality products, you are still going to buy nestle products. You could say they have us by the balls.
Maybe stop eating shampoo then. (= They partly own L’Oréal, and by extension all the L’Oréal brands: Garnier, Maybelline, Vichy, Biotherm, etc.)
To your actual point though: A) that depends on which country you live in, given that their products are manufactured differently in each country/region. B) it does also depend on what brand you’re referring to. I find it highly unlikely you dislike EVERYTHING in the Nestle machine. Hot Pockets? Perrier water? Nerds? Smarties??
I mean, referring to your second point there’s only cookie crisps (my favourite cereals) and Kit Kat that I really like more than other brands
Kit Kat is unique but it’s not like it’s that good that I can’t choose a different snack bar
Cookie crisps too, I just need to get other brands of cereals, like Kellogg’s! (/s)
I don’t think they sell hot pockets here, and everyone I know thinks m&ms are better than smarties
I dont think that is true any longer. They had stock at one point in Loreal but it doesn’t seem to be the current case when I tried researching it recently. A LOT of luxury salon hair brands are in the loreal umbrella like redken, biolage, and of course loreal.
Yeah and people act like nestle is just gross junk food. Coffee mate, Starbucks (packaged stuff sold in stores)
That said it was pretty easy for me to quit I only really had to replace a few things myself. Loreal would be way harder
Nestle (as of last year’s financial returns) owns 20% of L’Oreal (L’Oreal details on last share sale, Nestle statement of its relationship with L’Oreal). They reduced their holdings a couple of years ago (down from 23%) but at 20% they’re still one of the more significant L’Oreal shareholders (though not the largest at L’Oreal).
While I agree that we have a duty to avoid unethical brands whenever possible, there’s just no way to escape them all. I live in a poor country and I there’s a lot of “bad stuff” I have to buy just because it’s what I can affford at the moment.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
That’s when you have to ask yourself if you’re ready for war. I’ve been stalked by drug dealers that want me to keep my mouth shut. It’s all the same business minded bs mainstream or street. A heartless man is a heartless man no matter what.
Fully agreed. While it is morally positive to avoid especially unethical companies, ultimately it’s not possible in all cases. As long as you try to be moral in your day to day actions and you on some level push for things to be better, you’re not morally culpable for the failings of the current system.
Sure for sure. And I’m tired of people treating it like it’s all or nothing, OR that it is stupid to boycott! I have my reasons why I refuse to purchase from this brand specifically and not others. We all only have so much energy (and money, mental resources etc) to be able to do so much. Let’s not shit on others for trying, or others who don’t want to. Maybe their energy is spent on other injustices and boycotts. Or just trying to survive. I dont like that they steal water from drought stricken communities here in America, and what they did in Africa. I have the mental resources and the luxury to boycott them so I do. You don’t so you don’t.
The only jerks are the ones who literally don’t care because it has nothing to do with them.
I avoid Nestlé as much as I can, I mostly… I just buy a coffee crisp once or twice a year. It’s one of my favorites and I have not found an alternative I like as much/better.
Nestle isn’t exactly making bank off me, that’s enough.
Yup and as far as I’m really concerned enough to speak up to anyone, it’s if they buy their bottled water. Since like, that’s supporting them stealing water from drought stricken fellow Americans. Most people will be willing to try a different bottled water brand. And I think that’s a really good bare minimum boycott that is accessible, easy, and could spread.
Avoiding every company that does something unethical is impossible. Imo, avoiding giving money directly to those unethical practices is what we should strive for.
Ie, Nestle is notorious for the way it acquires and sells bottled water, using legal loopholes to leave communities without drinkable water, and adding sodium to their water to keep you thirsty and drink more. So don’t buy their water. Assuming enough people do so, the company will, inevitably, stop selling water and focus on products that are selling. Does Nestle as a whole deserve to fuck off? I mean, sure, but, at the very least, we can pressure companies to only engage with the practices that we consider passable.
I avoid Nestle, because fuck their water shit, I don’t trust them to source cocoa reasonably either, and they are nowhere near having a monopoly on good chocolate, so they’re perhaps a bad example. But we can at least push companies around, because ultimately, the only thing they give a shot about is our money.
There can be. Just not under Milton Friedman/Chicago School capitalism, or the neoliberal globalist shoggoth it spawned.
Whether aforementioned eldritch economics are an inevitable stage or not, the million dollar question (whatta bargain!) is whether that stage constitutes the current system’s death-throes. I’d love to know, myself!
Chew em up n rat em out.
