An in-depth police report obtained by 404 Media shows how a school, and then the police, investigated a wave of AI-powered “nudify” apps in a high school.
This is going to get pretty damn horrific real fast with Sora coming to general release soon. We need some restrictions and laws on the books.
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What laws do you want?
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How would they be enforced?
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What practical effects would that have?
1.) Germany has civil laws giving a person depicted similar rights as the creator of an image. It is also an criminal offense publishing images, that are designt to damage an persons public image, Those aren’t perfect, mainly because there wording is outdated, but the more general legal sentiment is there.
2.) The police traces the origin through detective work. Social Cycles in schools aren’t that huge so p2p distribution is pretty traceable & publishing sites usually have ip-logs.
A criminal court decides the severity of the punishment for the perpetrator. A civil court decides about the amount of monetary damages, that were caused and have to be compensated by the perp or his/her legal guardian.
People simply forwarding such material can also be liable (since they are distributing copyrighted material) & therefore the distribution can be slowed or stopped.,
3.) It gives the police a reason to investigate, gives victims a tool to stop distribution & is a way to compensate the damages caused to victims
1.) Germany has civil laws giving a person depicted similar rights as the creator of an image. It is also an criminal offense publishing images, that are designt to damage an persons public image, Those aren’t perfect, mainly because there wording is outdated, but the more general legal sentiment is there.
Germany also has laws criminalizing insults. You can actually be prosecuted for calling someone an asshole, say. Americans tend to be horrified when they learn that. I wonder if feelings in that regard may be changing.
AFAIK, it is unusual, internationally, that the English legal tradition does not have defamation (damaging someone’s reputation/public image) as a criminal offense, but only as a civil wrong. I think Germany may be unusual in the other direction. Not sure.
2.) The police traces the origin through detective work. Social Cycles in schools aren’t that huge so p2p distribution is pretty traceable & publishing sites usually have ip-logs.
Ok, the police would interrogate the high-schoolers and demand to know who had the pictures, who made them, who shared them, etc… That would certainly be an important life lesson.
The police would also seize the records of internet services. I’d think some people would have concerns about the level of government surveillance here; perhaps that should be addressed.
How does that relate to encryption, for example? Some services may feel that they avoid a lot of bother and attract customers by not storing the relevant data. Should they be forced?
3.) It gives the police a reason to investigate, gives victims a tool to stop distribution & is a way to compensate the damages caused to victims
That’s what you want to happen. It does not consider what one would expect to actually happen. It’s fairly common for people of high school age to insult and defame each other. Does the German police commonly investigate this?
Digitally watermark the image for identification purposes. Hash the hardware, MAC ID, IP address, of the creator and have that inserted via steganography or similar means. Just like printers use a MIC for documents printed on that printer, AI generated imagery should do the same at this point. It’s not perfect and probably has some undesirable consequences, but it’s better than nothing when trying to track down deepfake creators.
I can better explain what I don’t want out there, and we’ve already seen some pretty awful shit. This will usher in a completely new generation of CSAM, bullying, harassment, and political sabotage. It seems we should have some protections or penalties in place to cover such things.
I kinda doubt porn would be a problem with Sora, just like it’s not a problem with Dall-e. The model is locked down in openai’s servers and open source model is no where as good yet. Even if there is a comparable downloadable models, it’ll be computationally expensive I doubt teens can freely run it.
Even if there is a comparable downloadable models, it’ll be computationally expensive I doubt teens can freely run it.
For now, but with every new tech, hardware efficiency optimization is not too far behind. Especially considering the performance required for training != performance required for running/outputting.
Considering the glacier speeds our government moves, I’d bet on those hardware efficiency optimizations making it out before any significant law gets implemented.
Wait for ASICs. When I started mining bitcoin on dual core cpus I would have never believed a little USB stick would be doing 100x what 30 of those full sized pcs could. The software behind generative models still needs to be fleshed out for hardware to know what direction to go. But a little AI machine that only draws like 50w max but has 256gb of high speed RAM for model storage is not far away. Anyone with $500(or whatever idk) will be able to order a machine off ebay, load it up with whatever models they want, and start generating whatever they want locally.
Um… the Taylor Swift porn deepfakes were Dall-e.
Sure - they try to prevent that stuff, but it’s hardly perfect. And not all bullying is easily spotted. Imagine a deepfake of a kid sending a text message, but the bubbles are green. Or maybe they’re smiling at someone they hate.
Also, stable diffusion is more than good enough for this stuff. It’s free and any decent gaming laptop can run that. Takes mine 20 seconds to produce a decent deepfake… I’ve used it to touch up my own photos.
Correct. Most states’ laws do not envision the situation we are currently seeing, let alone what’s coming.
Check your state. What constitutes harassment, and can you think of harassing things that could be done without violating the law? I can for my state.
Eventually, after an investigation, police referred the case to a local prosecutor, noting that there was a probable cause to charge the student who admitted to making the photos with “Cyber Harassment.”
This is what was reported about this case.
Here is that Cyber harassment statute: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.90.120
What’s missing?
And this is why I refuse to take part in selfie culture. Shit’s dangerous. When can we go back to the anonymous internet of yore?
I’m so relieved to be an average or maybe slightly below average looking adult male with an established career. It would be hell being a teenage girl in today’s world.
Wow I am so glad this shit wasn’t around when I was in high school. This sounds horrifying to have to deal with as a student.
The indifference of AI advocates is just apalling too. “It’s going to happen anyway, they just gotta get over it, it’s not real.”
Teens can barely get over mild perceived embarrassment, nevermind having porn replicas of them spread around, and having to deal with related harassment. I dread how that will affect them.
Yep. My school years predate social media and mobile phones were pre smartphones. Shit cameras etc.
but the rumour mill was vicious and damaging. Very hard to prove the truth when the lie is so salacious. The more you denied it the more it seemed true.
These poor kids. How do they defend against this shit.
AI should never have been allowed to get where it is without a system in place to control it. But that’s how these things work. So… no one should really be surprised that assholes will utilize for the the greater goal of worsening of civilization for their own amusement.
