Stellantis CEO says Chinese EVs are ‘possibly the biggest risk’ facing his carmaker and Tesla::The owner of the Dodge, Jeep, and Chrysler brands aims to take on Chinese EVs while avoiding a “race to the bottom.”

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Capitalists suddenly stop loving the free market when it hurts their profits

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The argument is that it is NOT a free market, because the Chinese cars are government subsidized. A Government subsidized company is not part of a free market.

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34 points

so like tesla?

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Yes. Absolutely, which makes it weird that Stellantis feel they need to warn Tesla, when they are very much beneficiaries in both USA and China.

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And all the other US manufacturers.

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Well frankly Western governments should also be subsidizing electric car production. If they actually want to move towards net zero, like they claim, it would be reasonable to expect them to actually do something to encourage greener technologies. Currently all they’ve done is said that they like it very much, and oh look let’s build one or two wind farms.

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Well frankly Western governments should also be subsidizing electric car production.

They are, EU governments give incentives and tax reductions to all EVs. That way all benefit equally, disregarding where the car was made, but EU is NOT subsidizing manufacturers illegally.
USA also has anti competitive regulation like China, but in USA you only get the benefits for cars made in USA, on top of that EV cars from China have a steep tax added.
Of the 3 biggest markets in the world, only EU is playing fair. But all have EV incentives.

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Capitalists suddenly stop loving corporate welfare when they aren’t the ones benefitting from it.

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Isn’t that what the tax credits are?

That said, it’s entirely reasonable for a country to levy tariffs on another country’s goods to support their own industries. Other countries do that to America.

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9 points

How many billions did this not founding member of Tesla did he get from government again?

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Communists have it so much better, look at N.K., they’re hanging in there good

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Be ready for be down voted for say that (it’s true too)

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26 points

Elon Musk is the biggest risk to Tesla and the reason it’s going to fail.

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No shit. They’re getting huge governmental help, openly steal from non-chinese companies, global trade is already structured around them, and they can utilise literal slave labour.

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But most importantly, China is targeting a market that no other EV maker wants to go into first : Reasonably priced EVs.

This guy doesn’t care about any of the above. He just doesnt want the EVs he sells to lose their incredibly high margins. If china comes in and swoops up a buyer at 22k then he loses one at 52k.

That’s it. These vendors could take the legs out of China in the market by offering comparable cars at comparable prices, but they want all EVs to stay “luxury” instead. That’s China’s real threat. They are dropping the bottom out of the artificial high priced market with reasonably priced cars.

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22 points

Sounds like your standard USA corporation

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15 points

Yeah but China bad

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The risk is that he would actually have to compete instead of resting on the beach. It’s good that these people are sweating when some fire is placed under their butts in the form of competition.

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My next car will be electric, I have over 250k on my ice car and it’s only now just starting to show wear.

I haven’t purchased an electric because of the price, but I’ll definitely buy a $22k Chinese should they arrive on these shores.

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