I run proprietary Nvidia drivers as well and Wayland runs so much better than Xorg now that I’m permanently coming over to Wayland. I’m extremely happy rn with Wayland
Not gonna lie, I specifically bought an AMD GPU laptop so I could run a Wayland WM. After trying and failing with my old nvidia optane razor laptop I gave up on Nvidia. I still use it on my desktop tho. It’s so much smoother than X-11.
It should be noted that for some reason, people in Linux communities seem to never watch hardware accelerated video content, because AMD 6000 and 7000 have HUGE issues regarding video decoding on Linux, Im talking full system crash or full system freezes after 30 minutes of watching videos on youtube (and thats without mentionning the video freezing for a few seconds with the audio still going, and then catching up, and refreezing a few seconds later). It caused me to install Chrome which does not have hardware acceleration yet to watch youtube if I wanted to have an uptime of more than 1.5 days.
These issues have only been reported on AMD’s iGPUs though, so I think dedicated graphics cards should be fine. But anyways, for this reason alone, I would just recommend Intel chips for most users, especially now with the new Intel Gen 1 Ultra or whatever its called, the GPU is basically on-par with AMD and the CPU is very close as well.
I was seeing those issues on my 7840u, but they were completely resolved with the testing firmware for phoenix here: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/8044
I am monitoring this issue mainly, and I saw recently they seemed to have a fix, but I am not really interested in patching my drivers because its my daily driver computer
Honestly for laptops I just stick with Intel integrated graphics. If you need more horsepower you can always remote into a home server. (This can be cost effective if you buy used components)
Bought a new AMD GPU to run Wayland. Here’s to NVIDIA getting their shit together or, more likely, going bankrupt.
That’s hilarious. 😄 Linux users dropping Nvidia en-masse would be like a half a percent blip on their desktop market share. Probably couldn’t even tell if it’s a rounding error.
This is a company that’s speculated to drop the desktop consumer market altogether at some point. They make so much money from other industries it’s obscene. I suspect they only keep the gaming and desktop crowd around for the drama and the publicity. They don’t really give a shit anymore.
Which would be sad in a way because Linux gaming was built on Nvidia. For the longest time it was the one manufacturer you could count on to be there and deliver decent, accelerated Linux drivers consistently.
Well to be fair, most AI workloads are on Linux and that’s a huge fraction of their sales. But desktop Linux, yeah, not going to notice at all.
I suspect that’s the main reason they’ve bothered supporting the desktop Linux crowd, we act as free testers for their more lucrative Linux-based deals.
Let’s say there’s half a million Nvidia Linux desktop users, that’s super few if you think of them as desktop customers, but they’re worth gold as free QA people.
Consider all the gamers with more money than sense buying 4090s for the price of cars and, more importantly, many companies buying datacenter cards for their next generative AI project (not that I think many of them will last).
I don’t see Nvidia running out of money any time soon.
I had nothing but issues running Wayland with Nvidia. How strange.
That’s because the drivers are bullshit but not the problem in general. They work well for some very specific cards, not at all for other and in general it’s just random hit or miss.
And then, to make it more fun, not all wayland compositors are born equal either.
Any recommendations? Or knowledge of which cards work best with it? I’m thinking on trying it out again, never tried it on my 3070
Not to be flippant about it, but I just recommend trying it and seeing how it works for you. You can have both Xorg and Wayland installed, you just change out which one you’re using at the login window
I keep trying Wayland and an in the middle of an attempt. I use fedora maniacally updated, Nvidia, and plasma shell. I’m about to abort again:
-even configured to directly use Wayland, I see chrome based browsers glitch out on occasion, and when it starts glitching it just keeps on glitching
-plasma panel stops updating multiple times a day, staying frozen including the clock
-sometimes kwin starts, but plasmashell has to run manually, and per above has to be restarted on occasion
-occasionally it just forgets what the monitor resolution is supposed to be and reverts to 1024x768
-the blur translucency effect glitches around mouse cursor
-immersedvr doesn’t support Wayland
On the flip side, xorg problems are: -occasionally kwin can’t grab keyboard for some effects until restarted. This is a well documented bug butt other than it being xorg specific, doesn’t seem to be figured out.
-some things tear in ugly ways, but not nearly as bad as the chrome glitch under Wayland.
Maybe kwin isn’t a great Wayland compositor, maybe Nvidia drivers are still not up to snuff. Ultimately, it’s not viable for me. Further kwin is a huge factor for “why Linux desktop” for me, gnome shell is more limited even than Windows for my workflows.
I had those same issues on my 3080. I switched to AMD and Kwin works great on Wayland.
I wonder. Does KWin still use the old workaround for Nvidia?
I remember gnome refusing to bend to Nvidia over eglstreams.
If Kwin is still using that workaround, even now after Nvidia conceded, maybe that is the problem.
Have fun with your 10% FPS drop, undocumented glitches, and zero support for 45 degree tilted monitors lol
45 degree tilted monitors lol
WTH? That’s a “thing” who or why would you even do that?
Because why not lmao
Somewhere in Xorg, there exists a patch that fixes vertical sync so that glxgears could be displayed by printing out every individual frame. And honestly, that’s one of the main reasons to love linux ecosystem - because things are not done out of necessity, it facilitates the development of most flexible software with least assumptions and most freedom in how you can use it.
