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Nah, we’re sick of the genre.

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You’re sick of action sci-fi? Because that’s the actual genre. “Super hero” is just an aesthetic coat of paint.

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It’s not really sci-fi. Traditionally sci-fi has explored very philosophical or existential concepts, it’s not just about the gadgets. The technology is a lens through which to view newly possible conflicts. If the superhero aspect is a coat of paint, the sci-fi aspect definitely is. IMO they do have some relevant aspects of the superhero genre, but yes most of them are mostly action.

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exactly same thing with star wars fatigue. just make good movies/shows and people will watch.

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And people seriously underestimate the simplest reason: poor execution. Phase 4 just had so many movies that weren’t good. The writing was bad, a couple characters or moments would be what you expect, but the overall product was just shoddy.

I think you could say that about almost every single Please 4 movie except Guardians 3. There was just a massive drop in quality.

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Also, not everything needs to be a tracking shot. With bullet time.

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Are you complaining or promoting bullet time?

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Guardians is technically Phase 5.

Shang-Chi, Spider-Man NWH, and Doctor Strange MoM were all great and Phase 4. Unfortunately Black Widow, Eternals, and Thor L&T were also Phase 4 and are some of the lowest rated movies in the MCU.

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Oh right, I was mixing up Spider-Man FFH & NWH.

Shang-Chi was the kind of quality I expect from MCU.

But I’ll be honest, even MoM disappointed me. It felt like they just abandoned all of the character development poured into Wanda because “heh heh cool Sam Raimi movie” and the America plot was kind of tacked on.

Black Widow, Eternals, Thor L&T, The Marvels all had the potential to be great. It’s like they just gave up on scripts and that notorious centralized quality assurance. Which I know is something a lot of people hated on them for, but I think the difference is obvious. Their centralized production over Phase 3 projects worked.

(We don’t talk about Quantumania. That one was unsalvageable.)

I hope they get back to the old way of doing things as Phase 5 progresses.

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Totally agree. The phrase “superhero fatigue” has been thrown around since age of Ultron.

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It was being thrown around before Iron Man came out.

A while back someone posted an article from 2007 using the phrase, talking about the “upcoming Iron Man movie”

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No I’m sick of the entire genre. Ubermensch above-the-law protagonists who are inherently better than normal people are the worst.

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Except that’s not the concept of superheroes. At least not usually for Marvel. The whole “gods among men” thing is more of a DC concept to explore.

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Tell another story as good as Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War or Endgame.

Or maybe other directors just aren’t as good as the Russos?

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I mean there are A LOT of excellent directors out there. The issue is giving them the freedom to direct.

Look at The Eternals. Chloé Zhao coming fresh off of Nomadland is an odd choice for a Marvel film director.

I don’t think Marvel made a mistake giving Chloé a chance, I think that’s how we can get some really great films.

However what we got in the end didn’t feel that special. Kit Harringtons character didn’t have much to do. All the other characters didn’t get much screen time as it was.

What Marvel has done historically has worked, but I think they need to rethink things a bit going forward.

Sam Raimi is actually a good example of this. Doctor Strange was still largely a standard Marvel film, but no question it was also a Sam Raimi film.

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I loved DSMoM, but I believe many hated the Raimi-ness of it.

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She-Hulk was the biggest f-you to the audience. That uncanny valley CGI just screamed, “eat this you ignorant morons, we know you’ll love it and we don’t even need to try!”

Greedy studio failure, not superhero fatigue.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw-hYiRzRrU&t=116

Never saw the series, but just watched this because you made me curious. It’s so goddamned awful, I can’t believe that was released.

And they didn’t even make her a “hulk.” Just a slightly buff and sexy green woman. The Amazonian women from Futurama were bigger.

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Literally one of the most true adaptation from the comics from Jen herself, to her personality and 4th wall breaking, etc.

You said it yourself, never saw the series and you very clearly never read the comics either.

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I’m with you. Maybe the CG could’ve been better and I can understand if people didn’t like the character or story, but that doesn’t mean it was bad

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I was specifically referring to the awful CG and not the merits of its story and character.

Because I think we can all agree that the CG is really bad on that.

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