We are now literally one step from “ovulation is murder.”
That’s not an exaggeration. The only step past “IVF embryos are babies” is “ovulation kills a baby.”
Technically, ovulation without fertilization would be the benchmark.
Also, you probably can’t miscarry. Which happens 10-15% of the time on average, and is much higher for some individuals.
These people are out to lunch. How stupid, uneducated, and emotional could someone possibly be?
The only people who are stupider are undecided or non-voters.
Not to mention the statistic that ~50% of fertilized eggs fail to implant. So getting your period may be evidence of murder.
Five years from now, red states will have laws that say every woman’s menstrual tissue must be collected for analysis in case the egg was fertilized without implanting. If this happens, she will be charged with murder.
Oh, and women will still need to buy their own menstrual products and pay sales tax on them.
The only people who are stupider are undecided or non-voters.
God, tell me about it. I’ve seen so many reactionary takes with what’s going on in Gaza and the US support for it, insisting they’re staying home over it, when if they thought out the problem for like 5 seconds more, they’d realize what absolute children they’re being.
Not only is not voting going to result in America taking a MORE extreme stance on Gaza, but it also invites endless suffering from this and other extremist positions, that will hurt us, our families, and our loved ones. Real fucking strategery there guys. I really hope I’ll have it in me to rub their faces in the inevitable consequences, but realistically I’ll be too much of a shell to care after seeing everyone I love suffer.
I think they draw the line at fertilization, but everybody does loves to shift their goalposts on the hill they choose to die on.
“Fertilization” is a continuum, not a moment in time. I know everyone thinks of that magic moment when the one sperm breaks through the outer membrane, from the video we all watched in 7th grade. But that “moment” could be anytime during a span of days, and there are a hundred “moments” before and after that determine whether the egg will be viable and attach to the uterine wall. And then there are a thousand more moments that determine if the uterus is hospitable and the mother capable of supporting a pregnancy to term. And then there are a million more moments between when the pregnancy begins and the baby is born and separated from the mother. Until that point, objectively, it is not yet an independent person.
It’s not just shifting goalposts. Fertilization is a line in the sand under water. Theoretically, you could say it exists, but you’re going to have to redraw the line every time you try to find it, and it’s gone pretty much as soon as you look away.
Anyone who chooses to die on that hill is a religious fruitcake, devoid of value as a thinking human.
Someone else came up with this.
Imagine you’re in a clinic. Fire breaks out. You have a choice; save a living baby or 5,000 frozen embryos.
Very simple. The living baby is a piece of shit, we only care about the unborn.
I would love for someone to ask this to anyone who thinks an egg is a baby.
Having gone through IVF, I 100% thought of those embryos as my babies. But it’s still a pretty easy choice to save the already-born baby.
I don’t know why you’re getting voted down for sharing your experience. That’s not how the voting should work IMHO.
I get that you get an emotional connection and can see them as potential babies, but not real babies right? Aren’t a lot of embryos discarded once the ivf is successful? I haven’t been through one so you tell me. Losing one or more of those would be very VERY less traumatic than losing one of my born kids. At least to me, losing an embryo, or a few thousand wouldn’t even register.
Do they have social security numbers? Can the hospital claim them as dependents? Can an eighteen-year-old embryo vote?
Republicans in a race to the bottom to figure out who can say the stupidest thing possible. Between this and Jewish space lasers, I think the competition is heating up.
everything is a fucking baby nowadays. quick hypothetical: you’re in a burning building, in that building is a single two year old, and a cooler with 10,000 fertilized embryos in it. You can only grab one. Do you rescue the two year old, or 10,000 “babies”? If one embryo = one child then it’s pretty obvious what the right decision is, right?
I just throw the 2 year old in the cooler and run. That should protect them from the fire right?
:P
If you run out with 51% of the 2 year old, that still counts as a baby right?
