It’s* been dead on Risa
Keep it civil. Disagreements will happen both on lore and preferences. That’s okay! Just don’t let it make you forget that the person you are talking to is also a person.
I find this ironic with Stamets as an admin a moderator, considering they participated in a dogpile on Risa because I made a joke that they didn’t like and was completely harmless:
They deleted the comment because of the obvious toxicity, but considering the weight they pull in these communities and they were the first to comment, it’s clear they had started the toxic dog piling. No apology, no trying to get others to tone it down. Just deleted their comment to hide their shame.
How can we trust the admins moderators here won’t do the same as what happened in Risa?
*edited for formatting and admin -> moderator
Edit 2: In this comment thread you will see exactly why you should all question Stamet’s ability to follow their own rules of their community and fail to be an example of how a community moderator should act. They clearly forgot they were talking to a person and intentionally inserted their own interpretations on my own words. Rather than fully owning up to their own actions, they try to downplay it with excuses and even double down on their toxic comments which they claim to be “sorry” and apologize.
It seems like I might need to screenshot this thread as well, before they delete it and try to pretend it never happened.
We can’t. That’s part of the reason I try really hard to avoid Lemmy.world
Well, actually you can. The admins of lemmy.world are far more responsive to actual criticism and will deal with abusive moderators. There have been more than one that has been removed due to their actions. The admins of Startrek.website didn’t care at all and listened to zero criticism or feedback.
TenForward was also created because of the moderators not the admins, a very large distinction that needs to be made. When TenForward was initially created, we were on perfectly good terms with the admins, even if we didn’t agree with them. At no point in the creation of this community were the admins a consideration.
Yeah, we could’ve done much worse for admins. Lemmy.world is pretty good right now but I’m concerned about the centralization of power and the single point of failure. I would’ve preferred a medium sized instance but you can’t win it all I suppose.
Maybe at some point the community can create a different community on a medium sized instance. I’m just concerned about potentially controversial decisions being made that have a huge impact on the community.
First off, I’m a mod. Not an Admin.
Second, that comment was made 4 months ago (The comment even says Stamets@Startrek.website, an account that’s been deleted for nearly two months) and deleted almost immediately after posting because I felt like a dick. You even say as much because of the ‘obvious toxicity’. This is true. I was trying to be a better person so I deleted it. Also, no. I didn’t “start the toxic dogpiling”. This is even proven by the comment directly under mine in that screenshot which is someone else calling you out. You also didn’t make the post. You had commented on my post.
If you want an apology, all you ever had to do was ask. Something you have never done. I never offered one up because I didn’t realize the app you are using kept deleted messages. I felt like a dick and deleted it. I never even realized you harbored this grudge considering, again, this is 4 months later and you’ve yet to address this to me directly. I just went through 5 months of your posting history and I cannot find a singular time that you talked to me about this. I went through my messages and I cannot find a single message from you about this.
I’m sorry. Wasn’t my intention to hurt you which is why I deleted the comment immediately after. But I am not psychic and had no idea you felt this way. All you ever had to do was address this to me. I am genuinely sorry. I hope you have a good day and that things go well for you.
Edit: I forgot to respond to the last line.
How can we trust the admins here won’t do the same as what happened in Risa?
Risa was run by a singular moderator when we started setting up TenForward. That was a major point of failure. When I set up TenForward I asked multiple people to join, all of us with different stances and opinions, to make a more robust team. We generally run things past one another and if something comes up with someone elses behavior, we will address it. If we are heavy handed with our powers or the other mods disagree repeatedly, then we will step down or be removed. And if you want to report moderator abuse you can feel free to do so to the admins. You wouldn’t be the first and they do take action. Startrek.website admins never cared about what USS BurritoTruck was doing despite being messaged by multiple people about the problems inherent to Risa.
First off, I’m a mod. Not an Admin.
Really? You felt it was important to start off with this tone on semantics?
Second, that comment was made 4 months ago
Why does that matter?
Also, no. I didn’t “start the toxic dogpiling”. This is even proven by the comment directly under mine in that screenshot which is someone else calling you out.
Your comment was the first reply.
You also didn’t make the post. You had commented on my post.
I never made that claim. Why even bring this up? Does it matter?
again, this is 4 months later and you’ve yet to address this to me directly.
Again, why does it matter that it was 4 months? What if it was 6 months? 4 weeks? 4 days? How does that change your actions?
This is what happened: You created a post. I made a harmless joke. You didn’t like that joke and made a toxic comment. Other people didn’t like that joke and joined in to make toxic comments. I called those people out for being toxic since my joke was aimed at no individual and completely harmless, and the backlash for that was all toxic comments aimed at me for just shooting my shot to make other people laugh. When I called people out for being toxic that included you which is why I had that screenshot and I even pinged you directly with it.
If you want an apology, all you ever had to do was ask. Something you have never done. I never offered one up because I didn’t realize the app you are using kept deleted messages. I felt like a dick and deleted it. I never even realized you harbored this grudge considering, again, this is 4 months later and you’ve yet to address this to me directly. I just went through 5 months of your posting history and I cannot find a singular time that you talked to me about this. I went through my messages and I cannot find a single message from you about this.
Why would I try to pursue you for an apology when I already pinged you and called you and everyone out at the place it happened? Instead I blocked you and the Risa community after plenty of evidence of toxicity.
I even mentioned this situation to The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website: https://lemmy.world/comment/5214666
I’m sorry. Wasn’t my intention to hurt you which is why I deleted the comment immediately after. But I am not psychic and had no idea you felt this way. All you ever had to do was address this to me. I am genuinely sorry. I hope you have a good day and that things go well for you.
How can I even take this apology seriously in the context of tone of this whole comment?
Wow. Okay. I think like you read a lot of negative tone into my comment that wasn’t there so I’m going to explicitly say here and now that my tone is polite and casual. I am not trying to be accusatory.
Really? You felt it was important to start off with this tone on semantics?
It’s not semantics in this case. Due to there being many different instances with many different admins, I felt that it was important to distinguish. Not for you specifically but in general.
Why does that matter?
Because you have not said anything about this for 4 months and have suddenly brought it up out of nowhere.
Your comment was the first reply.
No. It was not. This is proven in the screenshot you yourself posted as the person below me is responding to the exact same comment. My tone is now starting to change from friendly to cautious because I’m not a huge fan of being lied about, especially when you yourself have posted the proof against your own claim.
I never made that claim. Why even bring this up? Does it matter?
That is on me. I misread something.
Again, why does it matter that it was 4 months? What if it was 6 months? 4 weeks? 4 days? How does that change your actions?
It doesn’t change my actions. It reflects yours. You haven’t said anything about this for months and made a screenshot immediately of it. You never talked about this to me. You never gave me a chance to apologize. You never addressed to me at all.
This is what happened: You created a post. I made a harmless joke. You didn’t like that joke and made a toxic comment. Other people didn’t like that joke and joined in to make toxic comments. I called those people out for being toxic since my joke was aimed at no individual and completely harmless, and the backlash for that was all toxic comments aimed at me for just shooting my shot to make other people laugh. When I called people out for being toxic that included you which is why I had that screenshot and I even pinged you directly with it.
No. You made a toxic comment. You made some “joke” that all the cast of SNW were too pretty or too beautiful. It was a backhanded and snarky comment which is why you were called jealous by the person in your screenshot. This is also why I said that you want what you can’t have. As for the ping, I didn’t get one or at least never saw one. But the last thing I would have been interested in doing in that moment would have been doubling down in public. If I got a ping like that I would have sent a private apology. Because I deleted it due to feeling like a dick. Did I think your comment was tasteless, unfunny, and frankly kind of rude? Yeah. But did I feel like a douchebag for being negative towards you? Yes. Thus why it was deleted almost immediately.
How can I even take this apology seriously in the context of tone of this whole comment?
That’s on you. The tone of my comment was not intended the way that you clearly took it. For that I also apologize in being unclear. But I am not trying to be angry or hostile or bitter here. Just genuinely saying that I am sorry, that I didn’t know you were upset, and that I can’t apologize for something I didn’t know was a thing.
Shore leave ended
I want the officer in charge of the crew transfer brought in immediately
