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The fact that wine and beer bottles are exempt from those Nutrition Facts labels is utter nonsense.

If people knew how much sugar and calories are in their drink maybe they would think twice

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I was drinking a while claw with my mother-in-law, and reflected that 100 calories was pretty good.

She responded she preferred her normal vodka sodas because they have 0 calories…

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Honestly I wouldn’t know if I didn’t have to take nutrition 101 in college.

Actually who am I kidding if I didn’t know I probably would’ve googled it.

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6 points

Zero calories? 100 g of 60 % vodka is 370 calories

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4 points

90 cal a shot is my usual quick math. Clearly not my mother in law’s.

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There are a lot less calories in a litre of vodka than the alcohol content equivalent of beer. Hard liquor is much lower calorie than beer, but you’re not meant to sit around and drink a litre of fucking vodka dude. That’s definitely not on “the sources” lol

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23 points

There are nutrition labels on alcohol in Europe, but people there drink as much as here.

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Europe drinks way more alcohol than North America

Excerpt from the article:

If you feel that Europeans drink a lot, your hunch is correct: people across the continent consume more alcohol than in any other part of the world. Each year in Europe, every person aged 15 and over consumes, on average, 9.5 litres of pure alcohol, which is equivalent to around 190 litres of beer, 80 litres of wine or 24 litres of spirits. That’s according to the 2021 European health report by the World Health Organization (WHO).

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True, one of my neighbour drank 1 bottle of wine at diner and 1 at supper, he died of cirrhosis of liver at around 60 though.

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8 points

Yup, just checked my beer. Lists ingredients and calories. In 2 langauges!

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5 points

The cans of beer that I buy have ingredients and nutrition info like a soda can does.

Haven’t seen any on liquor bottles though.

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The fact that wine and beer bottles are exempt from those Nutrition Facts labels is utter nonsense.

I did not know that. That is nuts.

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11 points

Not having to list ingredients is a real pain if you have uncommon food allergies.

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2 points

Alcohol is required to list ingredients and allergy information.

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But then when you do see the nutrition label, it ends up acting as an ad that it’s a healthier drink.

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2 points

No one is going to stop drinking because the drinks have too much sugar or calories

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6 points

Maybe. But I know some who would be drinking less

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2 points

Not to mention some people also want to take serious track of their caloric and nutritional intake but also want to enjoy an alcoholic beverage.

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This I fully agree with, and have no idea why they are currently exempted but assume lobbying.

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Meanwhile cannabis beverages are required to have:

-Nutrition facts including calories, sugar, etc.

-Gigantic yellow warning with random health warning (e.g., don’t use if pregnant)

-Huge red stop sign cannabis leaf logo

-KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN

-Big pain in the ass plastic childproof thing

None of these required on a can of beer.

From a harm reduction perspective, it’s a massive failure. Many cannabis beverages have very low nearly zero calories, sugar-free. For your physical health they are almost certainly less harmful than alcohol and I know many people would enjoy them as an alternative to alcohol.

We have faced a similar failure in harm reduction strategy regarding vaping versus tobacco. I think in both cases it’s a result of vested interests (tax revenue, lobbying, don’t know) trumping what is best for people.

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The way Canada has handled cannabis legalization is embarrassing.

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We’re still ahead of the people who haven’t legalised it or even criminalise it, though.

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That’s not something to be proud of. Just because someone does it worse doesn’t mean you should be proud of how it’s done.

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To who? Because we’re still the only country with it fully legalized for recreational use. I fail to see how that’s embarrassing at all.

We used to have weird rules on alcohol too, and just like those, cannabis rules have been getting better as time has gone on. You can’t expect a world first system to be perfect right out of the gate.

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9 points

It seems good to me. If people want it they can get it now.

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That was always true though. The difference now is consistency

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7 points

Yeah federally across the whole country? Sounds terrible.

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If you simplify anything that much it seems like a great idea. You obviously don’t know much about the Cannabis Act.

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This is what happens when you have a large segment of the population that is both opposed to something, and not terribly against acting in bad faith. You get poison pills in your regulations.

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Taxes are too high, rules for storage actively ruin the products. It really didn’t do much to stop illicit sales; most people I know that didn’t start smoking when it became illegal never buy from the dispensary. They did a terrible job of handing out liscensing, and most of the people who got them were just rich people making an investment(and lots of them had previously supported prohibition because they are also involved in alcohol sales) instead of working with non violent offenders to help them transition. And the edibles and drinkables people are talking about are so bad because the government made arbitrary THC limits.

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Presumably he means that Canada didn’t handle it, aside from lifting the prohibition, as it is a provincial matter.

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To me the worst part is allowing at parks, so now myself or young kids have to experience the stench of some asshat not caring about fellow citizens and they recreation time.

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Cannabis, unlike alcohol and tobacco, has a high chance of causing long term and devastating effects on youth. This is a fact proven by science. Ease of access to alcohol should be heavily reduced and warnings should be places on them, Conservative ran alcohol lobbies always block that idea.

Vaping has been scientifically proven to be just as bad, if not worse for you health not to mention the negative environmental factor. It should follow the same path as tobaccos; no branding, no labels, health warning, removal of flavors, fines for vaping in public spaces.

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high chance of causing long term and devastating effects on youth.

There is a substantial body of evidence proving alcohol is extremely bad for brain development

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I’m only aware of studies of the parents drinking while pregnant. Either way, I’m already in favour of higher control on alcohol.

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Surprised to hear someone so confidently asserting that more prohibition is necessary. None of what you suggested really aligns with harm reduction and I would argue that more restrictions on vaping and on alcohol would backfire in terms of black market availability and less regulatory oversight.

I’m unaware of the proof that vaping is as bad or worse than tobacco. My understanding is that the consensus is vaping, while harmful, is significantly less harmful than smoking tobacco. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/vaping-substantially-less-harmful-than-smoking-largest-review-of-its-kind-finds

And for the record, typically how it works when you want to make a claim about proof and evidence is that you cite your sources. You can’t simply use hyperbolic language, wave your hands and say the magic word “science” and expect people to just believe you.

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I never said anything about prohibition but stricter regulation.

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I would like a ban on advertising, too.

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I’d like a ban on all forms of advertising.

Marketing is nothing more than getting people to buy stuff they do not need.

It is the reason we live in a consumer culture, and is the force behind some of the biggest problems humanity faces today.

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Hell yes!

The world would look so SO much better with advertising gone.

Now we have to deal with 5x50 meters (sigh, 15 by 150 foot) video screens that illuminate the night sky and blind you while you are driving, but hey, BUY NIKE!

This is not even mentioning brands buying up buildings and clubs and hospitals and what-not so that they can plaster their name over it. It sucks.

Brand recognition has been a bane of our existence for the past century

I might be up for a very VERY strictly limited form of advertising, limited to only a few spaces and times, but I’d love it that brands only show up when I ask them to. I need to buy a car? If I search “I want to buy a car” or something like that, then you can show me brands. Hell, even there, screw the shitty commercials, just show me the brand names and that’s it.

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Ha! It’s not just that!

Where I live, they’ve got some sort of weird “The Future Is Electric” campaign going on. It’s on the busses, there’s a billboard of one near my place, and hell, that one’s powered so it shines brighter than the street lights at night!

And what is it advertising? I have no idea. Just that our province paid for it. The province. For at least one powered, custom billboard along with who knows how many regular ads. For something that I can’t even start figuring out.

Ads aren’t just ugly and a cheap way to make people spend money on things that they don’t need or even make their lives worse, but our tax dollars are spend on meaningless ads when there’s so many social and economic issues that are being actively ignored or even caused by the current governments.

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I think alcohol advertising will eventually be banned but it’ll take a long time. Governments are addicted to the revenues.

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https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/television/publicit/codesalco.htm

No advertising to children is the most important restriction and several guidelines address this issue

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Because it would be weird reading that smoking alcohol is dangerous for pregnant women.

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This damn nanny state is out of control! /s

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