Should i repost this to any other /c/'s meant for this kind of things ?
EDIT: In case anyone don’t understand what this is it is an issue raised by someone on lemmy git that when an account is deleted or banned it should also delete the data the data posted by the user. And one of the main dev nutomic is blowing it of like it won’t affect me and maltfield is remainding him that it is illegal under the EU law and it also affects lemmy and moreover it is not ethical or moral . And i thought that was what lemmy was built on privacy, ethics and morals now i am dissapointed.
EDIT : For everyone saying there is no way i am not really ap roggrammer or anything but couldn’t this work :
They could just roll it out on a new version and i think most instances won’t mod it to remove that maybe some oddball ones will but not most. I know saved copies will be there but who cares no one is saving my 1000 comments but that is not the case with this .
It is copy pasted from one of my replies.
EDIT: Also it is not my intention to point finger to lemmy devs and i can differentiate their political stance and their work my only intention was to see that if this post gained enough traction they will reply or fix the issue.
EDIT : Relevant comment from @NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de about what if other instance don’t delete your data.
So maybe those instances are breaking the law, but Lemmy by default should comply. You could say the exact same thing about any social media - scrapers can and do archive everything they can - but that doesn’t absolve the original platforms (e.g. Twitter) from having to follow the law.
EDIT : As just a person i can’t do anything about it but i am certain if everybody pitch in the lemmy devs will listen and even though everyone seems to hate lemmy devs political stance i can differentiate with politics and their work and i find @Dessalines@lemmy.ml to be very responsive so i am gonna mention him and see what he thinks about it instead of trashing lemmy devs on speculation (i don’t know nutomic’s id) even though i don’t agree wuth nutomic’s response in this case i don’t share the views of many people in the comments and don’t associate this post with them.
EDIT : I just want an option to purge my data when deleting an account that you can enable or disable.
EDIT:Ok i just woke up and am catching up with some of these replies and i wanna say i don’t share any of their views nor am i affliated with them i never wanted to trash on the dev and that is one of the main reason i posted this on casual conversation i didn’t think this would get this uncasual . All i wanted to so was draw attention to this problem so devs will act on it faster but since then i have learned lemmy politics does’nt work like that and as i am not the mod or anyththing i can’t do anything about some of the comments except make it clear i have no affliations with them. Just keep it casual people. I too want these changes but maybe geemtting on the nerve if devs isn’t the best way to achieve it.
Something @tyler@programming.dev chimed in .Your comments can be public, but your data is yours. That’s the whole point of GDPR. Think of an art gallery. The gallery does not own the art a lot of the time, they simply show it. The art is owned by the artist. If they want to take it down they can. The same thing applies here. Your data, you get to choose what happens to it in the eyes of the law.
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I accidently left this part out so uploading it.
dunno. if i was all that concerned about that kinda stuff i wouldnt be using a publicly, anonymously federating communication platform like lemmy
clearly people need to stay within legal requirements, and a user wanting to delete their account should be able to do so… but youre not recalling your remotely-transmitted posts anymore than you can recall the words you shout on a street corner.
e. ahh i see, this is about a bug they dont want to fix on lemmy because they dont feel they are gdpr targets
so, its definitely a bug. its definitely already on their bug list, but they arent acting on it for ‘reasons’. and now that you pointed it out, they will definitely never act on it.
But him blowing it off like that was spezy we should be better than reddit and let users delete their data if they want to .
That would be ideal but reality is that because of the way the fediverse works there is no way to control what we post to instances that aren’t our home one and we definitely can’t undo the thousands of copies of those comments/posts that get copied across the fediverse.
This is a concept that was understood in the early days of the internet and seemed to have gotten forgotten over the years. The basic concept of not being able to unring a bell.
Basically even if a local instance lets us delete our account and all comments/posts, it would be up to every other federated instance to honor that delete transmission, we have no way to enforce that.
They could just roll it out on a new version and i think most instances won’t mod it to remove that maybe some oddball ones will but not most. I know saved copies will be there but who cares no one is saving my 1000 comments but that is not the case with this .
there is no way to control what we post to instances that aren’t our home one
This doesn’t give the home instance a get out of jail free card for also failing to comply.
This is pure whataboutism.
It’s not possible.
By design, everything you posted is shared to hundreds of other servers, all of which are capable of doing anything they want with it. I can guarantee you that there are several that are archiving anything and everything that gets federated to them and will not remove that content when the original server does.
I can guarantee you that there are several that are archiving anything and everything that gets federated to them and will not remove that content when the original server does.
So maybe those instances are breaking the law, but Lemmy by default should comply. You could say the exact same thing about any social media - scrapers can and do archive everything they can - but that doesn’t absolve the original platforms (e.g. Twitter) from having to follow the law.
I don’t understand why won’t they because i pointed it out ? Also it was not treated as a bug by nutomic and i think it is more of a missing feature .also what reasons ?
you triggered the spite flag.
people are people, these people have this project theyre doin and their priorities dont match yours. it happens.
how do you get someone to fix an issue they dont think is a priority? that can be touchy, but here i would prolly not go rolling in with big labels like legal and gdpr. maybe a lighter touch with references to moderating spam/unwanted images. i dunno… nice people can move mountains, and they arent doing the lifting.
at the heart of the matter, you just wanted a simple call to delete images that need to go with the account.
you triggered the spite flag.
What is a spite flag ? If it is what i think it is it certainly was not my goal i thought if the post gained some traction the devs will act on it .
but youre not recalling your remotely-transmitted posts anymore than you can recall the words you shout on a street corner.
That is true, but the user must still have the ability to delete all their comments. The fact that someone could have scraped the data is irrelevant.
The secret trick is, abbadon420 isn’t my real name.
And i thought that was what lemmy was built on privacy, ethics and morals now i am dissapointed.
I don’t think lemmy was built on that. The original software was written by tankies so i doubt they cared about privacy, ethics, or morals. It was built as an open source decentralized alternative to other news aggregation sites.
Everything you post to it proliferates out to every server you federate with so even when they implement this it would be trivial for someone to setup a catch all server that doesn’t obey the delete command sent from another server and store everything everyone has posted. That might be why they haven’t prioritized it. Just a guess from me though.
Everything you post to it proliferates out to every server you federate with so even when they implement this it would be trivial for someone to setup a catch all server that doesn’t obey the delete command sent from another server and store everything everyone has posted.
(repeating from my reply elsewhere)
So maybe those instances are breaking the law, but Lemmy by default should comply. You could say the exact same thing about any social media - scrapers can and do archive everything they can - but that doesn’t absolve the original platforms (e.g. Twitter) from having to follow the law.
Exactly . I am putting your comment on the post but you can dm or tell me hwre if you want me to take it down of course i will mention you.
This issue is about the fact that if you delete your account, lemmy will delete all the text in any posts and comments you’ve made. It won’t go through those comments, read any URLs you’ve uploaded pictures too, and delete them if they’ve been hosted/cached locally.
Putting the lemmy devs response to one side for a moment: what’s the concern here? The URLs for images in picts-rs are a random hex string - if you don’t know the URL, you can’t find it, and even if you do, you wouldn’t be able to connect it to someone unless the info was literally in the image itself.
The Lemmy devs in general are not exactly known for being great people. Luckily the project is open source, and if they want to fuck around and find out then they can.
