Whenever someone posts a meme like this all the “vote harder” people come out of the woodwork to get mad at the OP. I’ve never told people not to vote, but I do 1000% believe that voting is the absolute least you can do to progress society.
Edit: don’t bother reporting OP for this meme because I’m not gonna take it down.
Same. I’ve literally said I’d vote for Biden, but I still get accused of supporting Trump by conservative and centrist Democrats. They’re willing to hand-wave atrocities for the sake of a campaign. I’m not willing to overlook the suffering caused by our current administration, nor to deflect blame onto others.
Though I have pushed back against the idea of sitting out this presidential election or voting 3rd party I am 100% on board with your approach. Definitely call out this sickening support of genocide, protest, write letters, and whatever else one can do. Longer term, also work on getting something better than first past the post and this stupid electrical college BS. And come Nov, don’t let Trump in.
I’m only voting for Biden if we’re actually allowed to put him on blast for his atrocities. It’s appalling how cultlike and defensive the Dems have become.
Well I’m not voting for Biden, I’ve never voted for a democrat presidential candidate as they are indistinguishable from republicans, at minimum, a decade ago.
Therefore with whatever God or enthropic void entity out in the cosmos, or whoever is reading this comment more realistically, as my witness - I will never vote for evil.
Meh - this perfectly captures the micro-conditions in targeted areas. It’s a reality of global politics spanning 7000 years and involving hundreds of wars and billions of people. If that sounds callous it’s because I don’t know those people; they are outside of my monkey space and - as a human - I deal with them as non-persons, no matter how empathetic I think I am. I know it’s fucking terrible buti also know that (a) I don’t have control over it and (b) I have a hundred other things to worry about, like if my daughter might die due to something stupid like not getting her medical treatment because some religious nut says those meds might be used by someone to induce an abortion or to prevent pregnancy, or that the local coal mine is about to foul the water supply if our entire valley because they’ve paid a politician to look the other way while they dump heavy metals into our primary drinking water source.
If I have a beef it’s only that “the next one” is no longer relevant because Biden’s (well, the US Government, but some directly authorized I’m sure) been bombing places for 3.5 years now, and 15.5 out of the last 19.5 if you connect him with the Obama administration. Otherwise it’s completely legitimate hyperbole/satire which recognizes the realty of decisions half way around the world. I think I’d be pissed if you took it down.
What leads you to believe the needs of you and your daughter are more important than those of Hispanic immigrants or Palestinians? This is peak dehumanization.
Also, yes it really is Biden. He signed off on this shit and put the weight of his administration behind it.
This seems like a very bad faith take on what they said.
They said they are their daughter and more important to themselves. That’s not dehumanization. That’s pretty normal. For most people, they, and their family and friends are more important to themselves than others.
No, this is peak human. If someone were to make me choose between my wife dying and someone else’s wife dying in [insert state or country I’ve never been to], someone else’s wife is going to die. If I get those two choices individually, I choose to save both. Where are the Jews who see Netanyahu as the Fascist aggressor with no regard for human life or territorial sovereignty and cast him out for a pacifist leader. Where are the Palestinians who want a joint government and will cast out Hamas? They both exist, but the leadership is out of their control. As individual humans We. Don’t. Get. That. Choice.
That’s the complication of (in this meme) electing a single person who will influence 1000 decisions. No matter how I choose, some of those 1000 will hurt someone. It’s a guarantee. No matter how empathetic I am, I cannot correct a century of political meddling (in Latin America or in the Middle East) no can I correct two thousand years of religious hatred. And those are just two of a hundred active problems.
I Think your meme offers a rational perspective and is excellent satire about people who just want to protect their families from harm. Please don’t call me inhuman for recognizing I cannot meaningfully change political conditions in the world which are the result of centuries of conflict.
This is a fallacy. You find one area in which the two presidents are the same, and you extrapolate that into saying they’re exactly the same in all areas. It’s not a bad faith attack or trolling. It’s just the result of someone whose thoughts are too simple to grasp the fact that people are similar in some ways and different in other ways. It’s the thought process of someone who just doesn’t get nuance.
you extrapolate that into saying they’re exactly the same in all areas
Except I’m not doing this at all. You are a fool arguing with a strawperson.
Okay, well if we agree that Biden and Trump are different in other areas, then what is even the point of this comic?
Let’s imagine that Anna and Peter are competing for the Vancouver regional tapdancing championship. They both had really good performances, and now the judges have to make a decision. Is Anna’s flawless execution of traditional tap integrated with the forgotten styles of the past worthy of winning, or does Peter’s bold new interpretation of an electronic tap genre deserve to take the gold?
No matter who the judges pick to win the regional tap championship, people in the middle east will still be bombed by US drones. Are you going to make a comic about how the tap championship is meaningless because it won’t make a difference in the middle east?
The tap contest is like the US election because, as you argue, they both have no bearing on outcomes in the middle east. Therefore, they’re irrelevant. If a tap contest won’t change the situation in the middle east, don’t make comics complaining about the tap contest’s effect on the middle east. If an election won’t change the situation in the middle east, don’t make comics complaining about the election’s effect on the middle east. It’s not relevant to the discussion. It should be relevant, I agree with you there, but as you point out, this election it simply isn’t. If we want to improve the situation in the middle east, we need to do more direct action ourselves, not vote for it. So stop bringing voting into the conversation about the middle east.
what is even the point of this comic?
This is a comic opposed to those who claim that The Best System in The World™ is that we must perpetually vote for the lesser of two evils, when both choices are still unacceptably and horrifically evil. Maybe your party and your system … kinda suck? Dontcha think?
It’s also a comic opposed to centrist and conservative Democrats and other status quo warriors who rail against leftists and progressives while silencing us and calling us russian bots and trolls, instead of actually listening to what we have to say. I’ve talked to a lot of other anarchists and socialists on a regular basis, and we’re fucking sick of it. If we’re not even allowed to pressure the sitting president to do better, then what even is the point? You centrists kept repeating the lie that you’re not as cultlike as Republicans in 2020 to get our votes – and then every time a post like this is made or an issue is raised, you get defensive of your genocidal maniac and come out with guns blazing. Many of you even reported me to my moderator/instance admin. Thankfully, this is a leftist instance where your shit isn’t tolerated, unlike right-wing neoliberal instances like lemm.ee or lemmy.world.
Look, me and my partner are trans, and it lives in the US. We’re terrified it’s going to be killed by the Republican party during their next presidency. Conditions are eerily similar to 1920s Germany and we know our history. It’s a refugee. I’m trying to get enough money to move it to my country, but I’m broke. I need more time. I want a progressive US president as much as anyone, I want to avert this shit. But if Biden wins the primary, that’s 4 more years I have to save my partner’s life. This is a matter of immediate life or death to me. That’s 4 more years every trans person has to get out before it gets worse. I feel bad for people in the middle east, but my views on which president to elect don’t affect them. It affects my partner. I don’t agree with this view of “let’s ignore trans people and focus on the middle east”. The lesser evil means I don’t have to grieve my love.
You might not understand this election actually mattering if you don’t have any trans loved ones.
Talking about “nuance” when your government is committing a genocide in real time lmao
Nuance is very important even during a genocide. For example, you chose not to see nuance, and you didn’t notice that I’m not american. You saw what you wanted to see because you were angry. Anyone who disagrees is the enemy and must hold the identity of the enemy, in your mind. You’re thinking just like the kinds of people who commit genocides. They don’t believe in nuance, they attack because they see the enemy everywhere.
Ruh roh, looks like I’m a rUsSiAn BoT because I criticized our genocidal president ¯\_(⊙︿⊙)_/¯
Arming a genocidal regime and imprisoning and murdering innocent refugees at the southern border is just normal after all, and I just need to be rEaLiStIc becuase it’s so hard simply not to commit multiple human rights violations
Definitely, and what’s your thought on the guys from cpac saying they want to end democracy and jan 6th was a good first try?
Those present and agreeing including members of the last cabinet.
It’s all the same.
End which democracy? We don’t have a democracy if my only choice is deciding between two genocidal maniacs
And the electoral college can overrule your vote.
I believe so called democracies around the world are a farce but the US’ “democracy” is so shameless about how they do it that Im surprised most people doesnt seem to realize.
Quick question: would you pull the lever?
Very clever, how do you plan to do that in the 2 seconds before the trolley passes?
Burning the trolley in this case will kill tens if not hundreds of thousands of people. I’m sure you’ll chill out once you turn 20.
This is the most successful republican presidency since George Bush and you want to throw it all away for the republicans to win. We’ve declared war on the entire middle east, we’re doing the most egregious genocide since the holocaust, we declared SARS-CoV over and the economy fixed purely through the power of pretending. We’re this close to enacting the entire republican border policy, if only the republicans would vote for it but they won’t tie that to funding our genocide or our Nazi Mujaheddin currently replaying how the Nazis lost WW2. We need to enshrine our fossil fuel production and expand it wherever we can, to put a right-wing Christian man in charge of handling abortion rights, and to ensure a senile husk is in charge of every major decision for however long he lives into his term. That’s the only way Kamala Harris can run unopposed as an incumbent president in 2028 to save democracy.
We’re this close to enacting the entire republican border policy
Except it looks like the border policy is shared by both parties. More people are being imprisoned and deported under Biden than were under Trump, but anyone with a modicum of empathy is told to stfu for the sake of a campaign.
Yeah but all those student loans have been forgiven!.. By laws that should have done that years ago
And means-tested to a point of absurdity that’s on par with Kamala Harris saying you deserved student loan forgiveness if you’re a pell grant recipient who runs a business in a ghetto for three years. It’s like them inventing new kinds of mathematics to explain why your COVID stimulus payment is actually what you were supposed to get instead of what your lying tankie eyes see. Liberals are smiling foxes.
Collateral damage from drone strikes went up 800% under Trump before his admin stopped reporting that data
Lmao I don’t think anyone’s arguing that trump isn’t a shithead.
Point is both are genocidal imperialist parties. The US political system only exists to protect capital and imperialism after all, since its government has been the de facto leader of the imperial core since WW2.
Why the fuck are these people our only two choices? Like can we just stop with the lesser evil bullshit and just pick other people?
Unfortunately, the only US president who tried to do something half-decent, JFK for wanting to abolish the CIA and giving an anti-imperialist speech titled “Imperialism: the Enemy of Freedom” to seemingly curtail the US’s invasions in foreign countries, made himself an enemy of both the political parties, and was thus assassinated by the CIA.
Like I said, political systems in the imperial core, specially in the US, only really exist to protect capital, while giving a thin veneer of “democracy”.
Seeing how the US gov has gone so far that it’s committing a(nother) genocide, I personally expect any actual change to come from mass organization, pressure and agitation from organizations outside it forcing change, perhaps aided by existing ones like the FRSO or PSL. Ideally they’d overthrow this imperialist government altogether but hoping for that in the imperial core is probably being too wishful.