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MUST WATCH: Bernie Sanders - Why People Vote For Trump

https://youtu.be/FSuaxqZLNwE

He’s 100% right on this.

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Man, it’s crazy how similar that sounds to exactly what Biden has been saying all along:

And I’ve said many times before: I believe we’re at an inflection point in this country — one of those moments where the decisions we’re about to make can change — literally change the trajectory of our nation for years and possibly decades to come.

Each inflection point in this nation’s history represents a fundamental choice. I believe that America, at this moment, is facing such a choice. And the choice is this: Are we going to continue with an economy where the overwhelming share of the benefits go to big corporations and the very wealthy? Or are we going to take this moment right now to set this country on a new path — one that invests in this nation; creates real, sustained economic growth; and that benefits everyone, including working people and middle-class folks?

That’s something we haven’t realized in this country for decades.

Here’s the simple truth. For a long time, this economy has worked great for those at the very top, while ordinary, hardworking Americans — the people who built this country — have been basically cut out of the deal.

And I’ve said this from the time I announced I was going to run: I believe this is a moment of potentially great change. This is our moment to deal working people back into the economy. This is our moment to prove to the American people that their government works for them, not just for the big corporations and those at the very top.

Yet an off-the-cuff remark about asking wealthy people to accept slightly higher taxes is somehow all his breathless detractors want to pretend has ever existed.

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8 points

Actions speak louder than words. Biden locked in Trump’s $2T tax cuts for the rich and corporations, bringing the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%. Never mind the open loopholes they exploit to pay virtually nothing anyway. Then, Biden claims he wants to bump up the corporate tax rate to 28%, but can’t, for “reasons.”

What is this halfway corpo-fascist stance? How are we going to pay for that?! By cutting social programs meant to support the working class. Biden is full of shit on this issue, open your eyes.

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Biden locked in Trump’s $2T tax cuts for the rich and corporations, bringing the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%.

Nuance glossed over for the sake of partisan shit-flinging:

He proposed over $3.5 trillion in new taxes, including raising the corporate rate to 28% from 21% and returning the top individual rate to 39.6% from 37% and taxing capital gains at those rates for Americans earning over $1 million. He promised no increases for those earning under $400,000 a year. But opposition from Republicans and Democratic senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, now an Independent, forced Biden to scale back his revenue plans.

Then, Biden claims he wants to bump up the corporate tax rate to 28%, but can’t, for “reasons.”

Yes, reasons. Amazing how Bernie would have had to deal with exactly those same “reasons”, isn’t it?

Biden is full of shit on this issue, open your eyes.

Oh they’re quite open. Trust me on that.

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Man, it’s crazy how similar that sounds to exactly what Biden has been saying all along:

I get your frustration, but this is a good thing. Bernie having the same message only strengthens it, and can convince people that won’t listen to Biden.

We don’t have the luxury of picking allies. If holding my tongue gets us a reluctant ally, I’ll take it. None of us have to like each other. We just need to remember that fascism is the ultimate evil. We may bicker like dwarves and elves, but when the orcs appear, we need to fall lockstep shoulder to shoulder immediately.

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Fuck it. I’ll write in Bernie. /s

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This is the best summary I could come up with:


There are posters from different stages in his political life, including an inevitable “Feel the Bern” placard and a photograph from Puerto Cabezas, Nicaragua, which mayor Sanders twinned Burlington with during Ronald Reagan’s Contra war against the leftwing Sandinistas.

He also dedicates the book to his brother, Larry Sanders, who lives in Oxford, England, and is a former Green party councillor, and to his four children – one by his first wife, Deborah Shiling Messing, and three stepchildren, who are Jane’s but whom he considers his own – as well as to those seven grandchildren.

With his index finger jabbing as though pointing to an invisible crowd, he tells me that before the pandemic three multibillionaires (Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett) owned more between them than the combined wealth of the 160 million Americans who make up the bottom half of society.

More than 400 of his former staffers signed an open letter imploring him to shift his position; one of them, his 2020 campaign spokesperson, Briahna Joy Gray, tweeted “biggest political disappointment of our generation” in response to an interview in which Sanders explained his view.

For all his talk of revolution, for all his tax-the-rich bills and declarations of radical populism, a large part of the Sanders creed is nothing more nor less than an appeal for the basic fundamentals of life – health, housing, a living wage, education – that are taken for granted by all other developed nations.

Is there a danger many young Americans and voters of colour who formed a critical part of the coalition that elected Biden – and defeated Trump – in 2020 will look at the rematch of the same two candidates in November, decide they aren’t inspired by either, and stay at home?


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Also correct.

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What fuckin crazypants logic is this

“Well what I have is way far away from what I want, so what’s the point in choosing the clearly better alternative”

As applied to this particular election, this is like saying “I want to climb this mountain, but the hill in front of me isn’t where I want to get to, it’s like thousands of feet lower than the summit, so what’s the difference if I jump into this ravine filled with lava instead”

Also what happened to that video call where you offered to prove that you were who you say you are? Not a right-wing shill posting anti-Biden things to discourage Democrats from voting?

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I decided you’re obsessed with me and I don’t want to doxx myself by giving you my contact info. Go through my reddit history if you want. I’m not a right winger. Same username as here

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It’s not crazy, it’s true. Trump wants a full on fascist system, there’s no denying it. But we definitely don’t have a democracy. Corporations and billionaires run the country. That’s not even touching on the fact that most democrats don’t want Biden for a second term, but the DNC is going to force it on us anyway.

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“If the majority of people disagree with me, there is no democracy!”

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Yeah, it’s not fun. When the idiots vote to fly the plane instead of the dreaded experts, it is definitely stupid, but it is also democratic.

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I’m writing in “free Palestine” for president this November thanks to this comment condescending about it

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“Wow, someone online pointed out that the majority of people supporting two shitty candidates is still democracy! Because of that, I’m gonna do my best to make sure the guy who wants MORE genocide gets in office! That’ll really help anyone who isn’t a rich cis white conservative Christian male!”

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Why even bother going to the polls then?

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Here’s the reality - it’s been 171 years since we’ve last seen a third party take presidency.

I repeat - 171 years! If you’re still foolish to think that this year is the year or foolish then to think that 2020 and 2016 were the years for the Independent Party. All that you’re doing is just wasting effort and time going out in the voter’s booth and voting Independent just for a self-pat on the back.

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Who’s arguing about the viability of third-party candidates? Your comment is a non sequitur.

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Did you just charge in to try and sound smart by using a big word and asking a dumb question at the same time?

The fuck out of here, moron.

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I’ll add that the only, and i’ll say it again, ONLY, viable path to 3rd party success in this country is through more democratic voting system reforms. (ranked-choice, STAR, approval, etc.)

Anyone who doesn’t understand this is either ignorant, stupid, or playing dumb for sophistry and manipulation’s sake.

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Ah both sides BS again.

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… which, if you really feel that way, is exactly why we need to implement more democratic and efficient voting systems, like ranked choice (instant runoff),, STAR, approval, etc.

As American political systems are today, the only viable candidates to win the presidency in 2024 are Joe Biden (a well-meaning, old white man) and Donald Trump (old white narcissistic Putin-loving vindictive criminal rapist who doesn’t care for democracy and can’t remember his wife’s name).

I’ll be voting for Biden because even if you really believe he’s “evil”, he’s certainly the far lesser evil than Trump (for the reasons listed above and then some).

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I’m not going to hold it against Biden for being old and white. All for moving toward equality but I’d be willing to give anyone a chance if they have some ideas (like an actual platform) and some drive to make some positive change. It’s more the fact that Biden seems slightly demented and acts like a prototypical old white man stereotype that worries me. Of course I’m not even going to talk about the alternative though, the choice should be simple here given the options but it’s a depressing choice either way.

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Fortunately, there are a lot of sane people with guns on the correct side of history.

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Or…and hear me out…sane people know that murdering those you disagree with is authoritarianism regardless or right- or left- wing window dressing you apply.

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Well, yeah, unfortunately.

For the record, I am absolutely not advocating for another Civil War. I’m pointing out that there are lots of gun owners who don’t make firearm ownership their entire identity, and those people by-and-large aren’t Trump worshipping accelerationists.

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LMFAO, if you think so friend.

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If Trump wins what? An election?

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It’s a good thing no one who was ever democratically elected dismantled democracy so they could never lose the power they gained.

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1, he’s been elected before, yet we’ve still got our election system. 2, democrats are actually trying to dismantle democracy by denying a huge number of voters the ability to vote for their choice for president. Dont by hypocritical, flip the roles around and imagine Trump or republican states are the ones barring Biden from running. It’s not gonna sit well with you is it?

Democracies mean the people decide, even if that goes against who you want to win.

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If Biden committed the acts and, as of now alleged crimes Trump has been accused of, then Biden would need to be barred too. That’s the difference with Trump supporters, the rest of us want the laws applied no matter which “team” the politician represents. It’s people over party and not the other way around.

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1, he’s been elected before, yet we’ve still got our election system.

Did you forget January 6th? It’s not for lack of trying that our election system remained intact through a Trump presidency.

Dont by hypocritical, flip the roles around and imagine Trump or republican states are the ones barring Biden from running. It’s not gonna sit well with you is it?

Of course it wouldn’t. Because Biden running would not be contrary to the Constitution, unlike Trump, whose candidacy is a clear violation of the 14th. The rule of law should apply to everyone - not just the poor.

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Like Hitler, who was democratically elected before ending democracy in Germany?

Yes, exactly.

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Hitler wasn’t directly elected. Hindenburg won the election vs Hitler for president in 1932, then later Hindenburg appointed Hitler as chancellor after nazis became the largest party in the Reichstag. Hitler got to work using nazis and other right wing parties in parliament to pass laws to give more powers to himself (using excuses like the Reichstag fire), and then later usurped presidential powers as well after Hindenburg’s death.

But your point still stands, democracies have failed before and America isn’t immune to that. It could happen in America too. And some of Trump’s plans in 2020 and his plans for 2024 are very similar to the nazi playbook. They kind of tried to pull a Reichstag fire on January 6th by blaming antifa or the deep state or whatever crazy conspiracy theory they cooked up to try and distract from their failed coup.

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no he wasnt

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I mean parliamentary countries say their head of government, say their leader is elected, but it’s just short for the “majority party has a leader”. There’s no requirement in my country for the head of government to actually have an elected seat, it’s just tradition the head of the party has one. Usually if the leader has no seat, a member in a “safe” riding resigns and he gets a seat that way, or alternatively, appoints himself to the Senate. The person doesn’t actually have to do either, head of government is a cabinet position, not a parliamentary position. Speaker and house leader cover that in parliament.

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You have to remember that a large swath of (generally) younger people are wildly misinformed/uninformed on the actual power of the presidency. They have the idea that the president can universally override all powers of the other branches at any given time and/or that both other branches will be captured (conveniently while a given dictator-to-be is in office) in a significant enough way that whatever piece of legislation the president outrightly wants, they will receive.

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A lot of people act like the president has unilateral power, not just younger people.

He doesn’t, there’s checks and balances in Congress and the courts.

But the courts are stacked and Congress is pretty closely split by which side of history their members have historically been on.

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Trump doesn’t seem to really care whether he wins or not, just in case you haven’t noticed…

Just like last time, he’ll claim that he’s won if he’s ever even slightly ahead, and he and his cult will harass people to “stop the count”.

Just like last time, he and his cult will resort to violence and insurrection to overthrow democracy even if he loses.

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