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Well, by then Israel is supposed to have completed its genocide defense, which means there won’t be a Palestinian crisis anymore. It’s a final solution!

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Would you rather elect Republicans who think Palestinians children are “not so innocent”?

Both parties are beholden to the Israel lobby, but we need to push for change, and this sort of post encourages apathy.

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Republicans who think Palestinians children are “not so innocent”?

I mean if the Democrats thought Palestinian children were innocent they’d probably do more to stop the killing.

Both parties are beholden to the Israel lobby, but we need to push for change, and this sort of post encourages apathy.

Or how about we call out the Democrats on their bullshit and push them to make changes now instead of after an election.

“But the Republicans are worse!” is such a cheap cop out.

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They have been and are being called out… they are changing. People keep just reminding you that one party is changing the precident that has stood since 1948. The U.S. recognized Israel on day 1. Undoing 75 years of allied support doesn’t happen in a few weeks. As much as we want it so. More than half the U.S. population is still unsure Palestine isn’t guilty and deserving of the acts specifically performed by Hamas and the Houthi and being portrayed an veiled in several layers of propaganda via media. If the majority of the citizens don’t believe it is wrong, then their representatives surely don’t see a reason to change precident, especially when one of the candidates is fighting to keep “chaos” at its highs to ensure it looks bad on the current candidate regardless of whether it is better for the people to make other choices.

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More than half the U.S. population is still unsure Palestine isn’t guilty and deserving of the acts specifically performed by Hamas and the Houthi and being portrayed an veiled in several layers of propaganda via media.

I think the debate isn’t about whether Hamas is guilty of the actions on October 7 (it 100% is), but whether the Palestinian people deserve to be punished.

By this argument the civilians who died on 9/11 deserved to because of US actions in the middle east (they 100% did not).

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Both parties are beholden to the Israel lobby, but we need to push for change,

Yes. Which is not the Democrats or the Republicans.

I’ll do you a better one; if Biden manages to address the issue now and recognizes a Palestinian state before the elections, he’s back in business.

If not then he has proven his worth through his actions.

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Besides throwing your vote away on a 3rd party candidate, or encouraging voter apathy, got any ideas?

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Start telling Biden to push through recognition for a Palestinian state.

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call for biden, blinken, pelosi, schumer… to resign

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Nope. Those are the options the DNC is pushing on us.

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Biden has stated multiple times that he is a Zionist so I doubt that he will change his stance.

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I’m still in camp “the damage is done. Former democrats are disenfranchised by Biden on many levels, not just the Israel level. If the DNC doesn’t correct course and produce an alternative, they will lose.”

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Last time I checked, only something like 2% of voters consider Palestine an important issue. You are vastly overestimating the importance of this war to the average American voter.

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Hot take by someone who doesn’t understand geopolitics and the Israeli lobbying power, or astroturfing propagandist?

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This isn’t apathy. Apathy would be quietly sitting in the corner, taking it, without so much as a peep. Seems to me that the apathy is with y’all that continue to vote in elections that you don’t ultimately decide. Hillary win the pop vote, trump still won. Biden hasn’t reversed any of trumps immigration policies, among other things also left unaddressed. He fucked over the rail workers when they were striking for ONE FUCKING WEEK off sick pay. They are the “backbone of America” but we can’t give them that respect and dignity, just so railway owners can rake in profits and a strike breaking president can declare worker organization illegal? His failure in both Palestine and East Palestine are just the tipping point to this rug pull of an administration.

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Always upvote Phil Ochs.

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Leftists and progressives (in America) don’t get to vote for anyone we want. We vote strategically for who makes the best opposition to us: the right-leaning centrist or the fascist dictator.

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Or as I like to say, don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good enabler of the what the actual fuck.

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No matter how shitty you think Biden’s response has been, it is absolutely certain that Trump’s response will be far, far worse.

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You’re not giving Trump enough credit.

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Verified traitors don’t get any credit whatsoever.

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Starvation in a concentration camp of an entire population is the most “Netanyahu” thing imaginable. Yet it’s Netanyahu doing it.

The current state of affairs for Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli government is grim. As grim as things are, they would be substantially worse with Trump in Power.

Are diplomatic efforts to stop the violence a bit anemic? Yes. There would be no such efforts from Trump.

Effectively, the more influential you are with your premise, the more Palestinians will suffer.

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There’s an entire israeli cabinet screaming for the extermination of all Arabs.

And Biden gets on his knees and bypasses Congress to give that cabinet weapons.

This is not a Netanyahu problem. Netanyahu is just the spoilt child raised by Biden who knows there will not be any punishment for his crimes.

Every supposed red line Biden set has been broken and there have been zero consequences. In fact Biden wants to give them 17 billion dollars for doing such a good job Genociding Palestinians.

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It is amazing how these people so against “genocide” seem to keep forgiving Netanyahu isn’t it? No he’s in nowhere responsible nor is Trump who helped to prop Netanyahu up. It’s amazing that isn’t it?

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I hope Putin is paying you well.

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I’m getting scammed pretty hard I think I’ll go work for israel’s Hasbara department soon. Any indications on the pay?

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Netanyahu wants Trump to beat Biden

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biden isn’t fucking doing it

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If you have to feel good about your actions by comparing them to Trump, that’s a low low bar and something is definitely wrong with you.

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All you people who think any other American president wouldn’t be supporting Israel are delusional. Especially if you think Trump is that person.

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