Abstract:

Hallucination has been widely recognized to be a significant drawback for large language models (LLMs). There have been many works that attempt to reduce the extent of hallucination. These efforts have mostly been empirical so far, which cannot answer the fundamental question whether it can be completely eliminated. In this paper, we formalize the problem and show that it is impossible to eliminate hallucination in LLMs. Specifically, we define a formal world where hallucina- tion is defined as inconsistencies between a computable LLM and a computable ground truth function. By employing results from learning theory, we show that LLMs cannot learn all of the computable functions and will therefore always hal- lucinate. Since the formal world is a part of the real world which is much more complicated, hallucinations are also inevitable for real world LLMs. Furthermore, for real world LLMs constrained by provable time complexity, we describe the hallucination-prone tasks and empirically validate our claims. Finally, using the formal world framework, we discuss the possible mechanisms and efficacies of existing hallucination mitigators as well as the practical implications on the safe deployment of LLMs.

38 points

For those of you who didn’t read the paper, the argument they’re making is similar to Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem: no matter how you build your LLM, there will be a significant number of prompts that make that LLM hallucinate. If the proof holds up then hallucinations aren’t a limitation of the training data or the structure of your particular model, they’re a limitation of the very concept of an LLM. That doesn’t make LLMs useless, but it does mean you shouldn’t ever use one as a source of truth.

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Just want to point out that you shouldn’t use them as a single point of truth. They can and do give factual information, but just as with every source, you should verify and know what you’re actually doing with the output. Part of why it’s so useful to me as a programmer is that I can determine between good and bad outputs and utilize the good ones.

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5 points

Which is exactly what the paper recommends! As long as you have something that isn’t an LLM in the pipeline to vet the output and you’re aware is the tech’s limitations, they can be useful tools. But some of those limitations might be a more solid barrier than some sales departments would like us to believe.

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Yep! Figured id share for the 90% who won’t read it though haha. Sales teams truly are the worst when it comes to that

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2 points

the argument they’re making is similar to Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem

More like the conclusion. I will be shocked if I read this and they’re doing Peano arithmetic.

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22 points

It seems weird to describe it as a “limitation.” Isn’t it just the main thing they do? Hallucinations guided by whatever we all typed on reddit, untouched by any lived experience. If this approach occasionally gets near the truth I’ve seen nothing to suggest that it’s by design.

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Indeed. I frequently use LLMs as brainstorming buddies while working on creative things, like RPG adventure planning and character creation. I want the AI to come up with new and unexpected things that never existed before.

If I have need of the AI to account for “ground truths” then I use things like retrieval-augmented generation or database plugins that inject that stuff into the context.

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3 points

come up with new and unexpected things that never existed before

I’m not sure this is possible if the tech is still primarily built by learning from data, which by definition, has existed.

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1 point

Have you not experimented with LLMs? They come up with new things all the time.

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1 point

I mean, naively you’d expect it to always hallucinate/lie, but it does give real facts at least some of the time.

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I didn’t read more than the abstract. It sounds like they are arguing that hallucinations are inevitable because the LLM cannot know everything. But wouldn’t it be enough for the LLM to know what it knows, and therefore know what it does not know?

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The issue is not that it doesn’t know everything, it’s that it doesn’t know anything. It’s not capable of knowledge in the sense that humans are. All it does is probabilistically predict which sequence of words might best respond to a prompt, based on huge amounts of human text that it was trained on.

Part of the issue is how will you train the model to know which things in its training data are factual and which are not? An incredible amount of human curation already goes into just avoiding the model from repeating offensive things, but the realm of facts is so so much broader than that. I don’t see any way it could be done.

But on the other hand I am only a casual observer of this technology and perhaps the experts will come up with a creative solution we can’t yet imagine.

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I think it’s very clear that this “stochastic parrot” idea is less and less accepted by researchers and philosophers, maybe only in the podcasts I listen to…

It’s not capable of knowledge in the sense that humans are. All it does is probabilistically predict which sequence of words might best respond to a prompt

I think we need to be careful thinking we understand what human knowledge is and our understanding of the connotations if the word “sense” there. If you mean GPT4 doesn’t have knowledge like humans have like a car doesn’t have motion like a human does then I think we agree. But if you mean that GPT4 cannot reason and access and present information - that’s just false on the face of just using the tool IMO.

It’s also untrue that it’s predicting words, it’s using tokens, which are more like concepts than words, so I’d argue already closer to humans. To the extent it is just predicting stuff, it really calls into question the value of most of the school essays it writes so well now…

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A token is not a concept. A token is a word or word fragment that occured often in free text and was assigned a number. Common words, prefixes, and suffixes are the vast majority of tokens, and the rest are uncommon pairs of letters.

The algorithm to generate tokens is essentially compression, there is no semantic meaning embedded in them.

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only in the podcasts I listen to

Yes definitely. Many of my fellow NLP researchers would disagree with those researchers and philosophers (not sure why we should care about the latter’s opinions on LLMs).

it’s using tokens, which are more like concepts than words

You’re clearly not an expert so please stop spreading misinformation like this.

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Sure, it’s hard to say whether a computer program can “know” anything or what that even means. But the paper isn’t arguing that. It assumes very little about how how LLMs actually work, and it defines “hallucination” as “not giving the right answer” with no option for the machine to answer “I don’t know”. Then the proof follows basically from the fact that the LLM-or-whatever can’t know everything.

The result is not very surprising, and saying that it means hallucination is inevitable is an oversell. It’s possible that hallucinations, or at least wrong answers, are inevitable for different reasons though.

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7 points

To err is human.

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I extremely doubt that hallucination is a limitation in final output. It may be an inevitable part of the process, but it’s almost definitely a surmountable problem.

Just off the top of my head I can imagine using two separate LLMs for a final output, the first one generates an initial output, and the second one verifies whether what it says is accurate. The chance of two totally independent LLMs having the same hallucination is probably very low. And you can add as many additional separate LLMs for re-verification as you like. The chance of a hallucination making it through multiple LLM verifications probably gets close to zero.

While this would greatly multiply the resources required, it’s just a simple example showing that hallucinations are not inevitable in final output

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22 points

That’s not how LLMs work.

Super short version is that LLMs probabilistically determine the next word most likely to occur in a sequence. They do this using Statistical Models (like what your cell phone’s auto complete uses); Transformers (rating the importance of preceding words, so the model can “focus” on the most important words); and Relatedness (a measure of how closely linked different words/phrases are to reach other in meaning).

With increasingly large models, LLMs can build a more accurate representation of Relatedness across a wider range of topics. With enough examples, LLMs can infinitely generate content that is closely Related to a query.

So a small LLM can make sentences that follow writing conventions but are nonsense. A larger LLM can write intelligibly about topics that are frequently included in the training materials. Huge LLMs can do increasingly nuanced things like “explain” jokes.

LLMs are not capable of evaluating truth or facts. It’s not part of the algorithm. And it doesn’t matter how big they get. At best, with enough examples to build a stronger Relatedness dataset, they are more likely to “stay on topic” and return results that are actually similar to what is being asked.

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No, I’ve used LLMs to do exactly this, and it works. You prompt it with a statement and ask “is this true, yes or no?” It will reply with a yes or no, and it’s almost always correct. Do this verification through multiple different LLMs and it would eliminate close to 100% of hallucinations.

EDIT

I just tested it multiple times in chatgpt4, and it got every true/false answer correct.

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This can only work in contexts where the LLM already has a strong Relatedness database for the topic. LLMs are incapable of assessing the accuracy of any information they weren’t trained on with sufficient examples to build that database.

This paper, if I’m understanding it correctly, is saying the same thing: LLMs will always hallucinate and are incapable of identifying hallucinations in certain contexts.

The problem we face is that it’s hard to identify hallucinations in the exact context when LLMs are most likely to make them: in content that’s not widely known and understood with many examples in the training data.

Or maybe I’m off base and I need to read the full study.

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There are far more important facets to truthfulness and semantics than yes/no questions. If this is the only way you evaluate LLM’s, you will quickly fall for confirmation bias.

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You seem very certain on this approach, but you gave no sources so far. Can you back this up with actual research or is this just based on your personal experience with chatgpt4?

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two totally independent LLMs

How do you propose to get these independent LLMs? If both are trained using similar objectives e.g., masked token prediction, then they won’t be independent.

Also, assuming independent LLMs could be obtained, how do you propose to compute this hallucination probability? Without knowing this probability, you can’t know how many verification LLMs are sufficient for your application, can you?

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There are already existing multiple different LLMs that are essentially completely different. In fact this is one of the major problems with LLMs, because when you add even a small amount of change into an LLM it turns out to radically alter the output it returns for huge amounts of seemingly unrelated topics.

For your other point, I never said bouncing their answers back and forth for verification was trivial, but it’s definitely doable.

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Can you provide the source of a few of these completely different LLMs?

add even a small amount of change into an LLM […] radically alter the output

You mean perturbing the parameters of the LLM? That’s hardly surprising IMO. And I’m not sure it’s convincing enough to show independence, unless you have a source for this?

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even a small amount of change into an LLM it turns out to radically alter the output it returns for huge amounts of seemingly unrelated topics.

Do you mean that small changes radically change the phrasing of answers, but that it has largely the same “knowledge” of the world? Or do you mean that small changes also radically alter what a llm thinks is true or not? If you think the former is true, then these models should still be the same in regards to what they think is true or not, and if you don’t then you think that llms perception of the world is basically arbitrary and in that case we shouldn’t trust them to tell us what’s true at all.

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