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Shooting at desperate prisoners for fun is something the Nazi’s used to do.

Fuck israel.

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Osama, is that you?

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Wait I can still see it, how does removing work exactly?

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PEACE AND FORGIVENESS TO EVERY SENTIENT BEING ALWAYS.

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49 points

The mask has come off this disgusting colony.

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Been off since at least 75 years but I guess it’s more off now.

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Yeah, they started out by killing entire villages to take their houses. The whole Zionist project was built on blood.

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its never been livestreamed like this though. people are seeing this happen in real-time. instead of taking days to even years to reach people, its getting to us in our hand in minutes if not seconds.

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its been genocide since day one of the zionist project

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On which side of the pond you are again?

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Well, it shouldn’t have been in your 2024 bingo card because it’s been a yearly ordeal for decades

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It’s been a century at this point, hasn’t it? I’m pretty sure the British mandate was like in 1920 or something. Though at no point has it been this kind of Hitler shit until now.

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I’m pretty one sided on this topic, and I’m sorry if my first comment was hyperbolic as well as one-sided. That said, Is what you’re saying:

If Israel starves Palestinians in a ghetto they can’t escape, that qualifies as Hitler shit

If so, then I have to ask if the process of Palestinians being forced into ghettos they can’t escape, in their own lands, qualifies as Hitler shit?

I truly think Israel has always been this cruel. The only thing that’s changed is it’s a lot harder to hide something from the Internet.

Also, not like 80 years of colonialism is that different from 100, but the colonies that eventually formed into the nation of Israel were called “British Palestine”. When Israel was formed in 1948, this was well after the UN had operated under the imperative that “[the recently discovered] Nukes are dangerous, but the new world order isn’t evil because we can use this power to preserve countries’ borders”

Also, I’m not saying anything nice about the Eastern block. I hold the opinion western intervention was okay in scenarios like Vietnam, because before capitalist imperialists and even communist imperialists, there were Japanese imperialists destabilizing that region

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I don’t know how much of the news to believe, but I’m not really on board with all this indiscriminate killing.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/21/middleeast/un-food-convoy-gaza-israel-strike-cmd-intl/index.html

They shoot both the people waiting for aid but also the aid trucks themselves.

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I’ve been to Israel a number of times and have several good friends there. I don’t know what to do, really. They would be the ones protesting against Netanyahu, rather than the ones raving in the way of an aid convoy.

The first thing I said after the attacks last October, other than “are my friends okay”, was literally “fuck, the response is going to be completely disproportionate”. They’ve got a fucking horrible government and there’s an undercurrent of nasty, nationalist Israelis, including literal Jewish supremacists.

I’m not an antisemite - my best friends genuinely are Jewish, that’s not a smokescreen. I’ve been shown more kindness by Jews in my life than by my own family. But I’d say, on balance, I am anti those particular semites. And I think a large percentage of Jews also are. I know my friends will casually say things about the ultra-orthodox community that I definitely can’t repeat.

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More Jews live outside Israel than in Israel. Being against the Israeli government doesn’t make you an antisemite.

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The “response” has been disproportionate for 60+ years.

At what point are they no longer “responding” and move on to become the aggressors? Because the balance of power there shifted a very long time ago.

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They’ve got a fucking horrible government and there’s an undercurrent of nasty, nationalist Israelis, including literal Jewish supremacists.

Let me just say: It’s not an undercurrent. The right wing in Israel has been dominant for a long time and is growing. I understand you want to distinguish yourself from Antisemites, but their government is accurately representing their constituents. It’s just that more than half their constituents see nothing wrong with genociding Muslims for Lebensraum.

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I’m not really on board with all this indiscriminate killing

VERY controversial opinion! It’s a good thing this is a safe space where saying such things won’t cost you your livelihood!

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I’m not really on board with killing so many children and starving 2.4 million people to death.

Does that make me antisemitic?

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Not according to sane people, no. According to unhinged mecha-zionists on the other hand…

Ironically, equating the actions of the Israeli government with all of Jewdom is itself EXTREMELY antisemitic.

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Biden is really going to let Trump become president again because he won’t take serious action.

The US is literally the reason the UN can’t do anything.

All you had to do was not be pro genocide Biden. It’s such a low fucking bar and that geriatric fuck just can’t meet it.

And whether Biden wins or loses, millions will suffer because he was the only other option than trump we were allowed to have.

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I watched Jon Stewarts piece about Israel Palestine and he joked about how the UN can’t get anything done with absolutely no mention that it is everyone voting for a ceasefire and the USA voting to veto everything.

It isn’t the UN that is doing nothing, it is the veto rules that allows the USA and other countries to throw out the collective good in order to protect empire.

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Weird…

I remember him mentioning it in both his recent episodes.

Pretty sure he even mentioned how when the US vetos something like this, we always send a Black person to do the veto. But that bit might have been from somewhere else.

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That’s what I’ve been trying to tell people for almost two decades: the UN isn’t inherently ineffective, but the Big 5 makes it so by vetoing almost every important resolution.

If we take away that veto and grant the UN real enforcement power, it could make the world a much better place for the vast majority of humanity.

The 5 and the billionaires whose interests align with them would never permit such justice, though 😮‍💨

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If we take away that veto and grant the UN real enforcement power, it could make the world a much better place for the vast majority of humanity.

I like to dream too, but if you remove the veto and give the UN enforcement powers, the UN would dissolve damned near overnight. The big players play because they can control the narrative and know that the UN is effectively toothless. You give them teeth and you’re going to see every right wing party in the world lose their shit about sovereignty or rev even harder at the derp state.

Now, that’s not to say it’s a bad idea at all. In fact I agree with you that it should be done. I just have no faith that the necessary changes wouldn’t also destroy it.

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It’s called the Security Council, and if it didn’t exist, we would have nuked ourselves into dust at this point.

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This is just false info. It exists to keep public record of communication.

All the nuclear powers talk to each other all the time without any need for the UN. US and Russia even have a direct land line to each other.

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Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

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As if there wasn’t enough hatred towards USA from the Middle East, these actions are showing seeds of hatred towards USA for generations to come. Which can be easily radicalized in the future.

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That’s why it’s always bullshit that we “need” a close ally there.

We dont. Especially when that “ally” just constantly instigates conflict then drags us into it to back them up.

If we weren’t propping up Israel and going after oil, most people in the Middle East wouldn’t give two shits about the West.

And without the instability it all causes, there’d be less far right religious extremists running shit. And everyone’s lives would be better off

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It’ll never stop being surprising when Biden supporters sound indistinguishable than trump voters.

As Michelle Obama said:

Be better

Quick edit:

Also weird how I always get replies from these brand new accounts after blocking trolls and they keep replying and I stop replying…

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Your comment was an adorable attempt at sowing division. If you’re really prepared to not vote and let Trump win because you don’t like Biden’s messaging, that’s a you problem (and by extension, becomes everyone else’s problem too).

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With all due respect, which is none, fuck off with that false dichotomy.

They didn’t say that they weren’t going to vote, they said that they were worried that Biden will lose because he’s doing things that people hate and refusing to do things that people need.

It’s the job of a politician to earn votes. It’s not the job of voters to meekly fall in line as long as the other candidate is worse.

Yours is the kind of condescending ideological cowardice that got us to this awful point in the first place.

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It’s the job of a politician to earn votes. It’s not the job of voters to meekly fall in line as long as the other candidate is worse.

And that’s the core of it right there. Why would I vote for someone who has done nothing to earn my vote?

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We just saw grassroots Muslims & allies in Michigan organize a 13% protest vote of ‘Undecided’ in the state’s Democratic primary. They aren’t alt-right trolls shitposting hot takes, that is a lot of real people who are absolutely FURIOUS that an administration they supported in 2020 has taken so little actual action on this matter

I also completely disagree that a personal voting choice should be seen as the ‘bad guy’ when the DNC did all it could to stifle challengers to Biden. Get angry at them and their political duopoly, not voters with conviction

If Biden came out and said “As a devout Catholic I cannot morally support abortion, I will not work to restore Roe v Wade protections” he would be rightly criticized heavily, and people would likely choose to note vote based on that

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AstroTurf and grassroots are not the same.

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don’t like Biden’s messaging

but that message is he’s not willing to call a permanent unconditional ceasefire and is willing to let more children die. am i supposed to like that message?

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Honestly, like 99% of Americans don’t care about Gaza enough to not vote for Biden over Trump. The internet echo chamber has warped your sense of what normal people actually care about.

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I think you underestimate the Arab/Muslim population in the US who stopped believing in “blue no matter who” because of what is happening.

Also on a side note, what do normal people care about? I’d argue if you don’t care about the fact that a Holocaust level genocide is taking place then you aren’t really that normal.

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I’d argue if you don’t care about the fact that a Holocaust level genocide

17 million people died in the holocaust. IRC the population of Gaza is roughly 2.4 million of which just over 1% have died. That figure includes Hamas militants. The Gaza Health Ministry does not distinguish between combatant and civilian casualties in its reports.

It is possible to criticize and condemn Israeli war crimes and ethnic cleansing, which are without doubt horrific, without distorting the facts.

In fact, it actually makes your criticism more convincing and harder to discount by supporters of the current hard right Israeli government. The fediverse is a bubble on this conflict, but we should be aware that hyperbole does not serve the interests of the Palestinian cause or win the argument outside of this bubble.

Maybe you’ll be the exception, but I say this knowing full well that some will call me pro-Israel for this comment. But if anything these extremists are useful idiots for Israel’s far right government and its supporters, as they allow them to paint any criticism as anti-semitism or disingenious.

e: this comment already had downvotes within seconds of me posting it. This is not long enough to finishing reading it…

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Uh… No? Polls have consistently shown that Biden is losing younger voters over this issue. And let’s not forget that there are multiple swing states (Michigan is just the most famous one) where losing Muslim votes is enough to cost Biden the state. Enough Americans care about Gaza to cost Biden the election.

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Yeah bro…

The only reason to be upset with Biden is his support of Israel’s genocide…

/s

There’s also:

  1. What he wants to do with our border

  2. Pretending “the economy” is more about billionaires wealth and average Americans aren’t important

  3. Record breaking fossil fuels production

  4. Just ignoring the healthcare crisis

And a shit ton of other things.

Supporting Israel could very well be all you care about, but lots of people aren’t that simple.

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Trump is worse on all of those issues, plus more.

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