Imagine getting 80% of the vote in an unopposed election, in a massively important state, and completely ignoring the explicit reason why. If Biden loses Michigan it will 100% be his fault.
Worth noting that Michigan lets people vote on either the democratic or republican ballot, regardless of how they are registered. Lot’s of people like myself chose to vote on the republican ballot against Trump because we felt confident in Biden winning. That probably put him closer to 80%.
I hear you, but I don’t think it has much to do with religion at all. The people who voted uncommitted have families and friends who are being indiscriminately murdered day in and day out, and one of the people asking for their vote to stay in power has done just about everything he can to help the ones doing the murdering. Expecting them (as I used to) to just drop their feelings and vote for him anyway, just isn’t tenable when your family is being slaughtered.
Go ahead and vote against Biden in the November election then too. When Trump’s Nazi Regime is rounding up Muslims to put in camps, at least you will have stuck it to Biden.
I fully don’t get why people are reacting so much to this. Why the fuck shouldn’t I vote against Biden in the primary? He’s going to be the nominee regardless, this is exactly the time for Democrats to get out those protest votes.
I fully don’t get why people are reacting so much to this.
Biden will win the popular vote by a record-breaking amount, 100%; there is no question about that. However, the United States does not elect a president in accordance with the popular vote.
Biden can lose the electoral college at the fringe, which is literally every other metric. If you care about the presidency, care about the fringe; and do everything possible to shore it up.
oh God I got banned from subs in lemmy.ml for saying this. It really made people angry.
there is a huge portion of the population who think like toddlers and just say “NO!”, cross their arms, and fall to the floor.
Do people actually believe that Israel is the United States or do troll games just not put in any effort
People believe Biden bypassed congress to give israel weapons which they are committing Genocide with.
While israel was already committing Genocide.
People believe that Israel is a puppet of the United States in the same way that North Korea is a puppet of China. Israel is seen as a forward operating base of the American empire that provides a beachhead and a port in the middle east for our aircraft carriers and corporations. Without Israel, we would not for decades have had highly securely placed missiles and armaments within range of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, etc.
Netanyahu and Likud are nationalists who are pulling on their leash and are making us look terrible in front of the world rn. And Netanyahu would personally likely prefer a world run by Putin rather than the current Western Rules-Based International Order that enforces principles such as human rights, and anti-corruption, and term limits for democratically elected representatives, and judicial independence.
It is unclear how we will address these issues that he has created. But no, people do not see Israel as being a fully independent country in the same way that India or Thailand, for instance, are fully independent countries
It’s like you are denying the Holocaust is happening when it’s blasted on your TV.
In 2020 38% of the vote was from Dems, 38% from republicans…
What wins/loses Michigan is independent voters, and Biden doesn’t do well with them, because they want more than “I’m not the other guy! Even tho we agree on lots of stuff, we’re still different”
Hell. biden isn’t even doing well with Dem voters in an unopposed primary.
That should make everyone very concerned, but there’s a vocal minority of Biden supporters who demand 100% loyalty and 0% questions.
More like we’re tired of people like you not offering any solutions, just shitting on the only non fascist with a chance.
Could just be that you can only run so many campaigns in a row with “If you don’t vote for us, it’s going to be the end of the world as we know it. And at least I’m not as bad as the other guy.” With the exception of Obama’s first run against McCain, that’s been the pitch for every single election I’ve ever been able to vote in, as well as a few before it. It gets old real quick, makes them come off as insincere, and doesn’t motivate anyone when we’re still largely dealing with the same BS issues that we were 20 years ago.
Trying to browbeat people into voting with the same old song and dance has diminishing returns, especially when your candidate is increasingly out of step with many of the voters they should be courting on major issues.
We’re just suppose to be happy with voting against a facist instead of voting for someone who’s political philosophies match our own. The worst part is Dems don’t realize this is basically going to be every election from now on and if they don’t change their tune they’ll lose to voter apathy
That’s how the world works. Pretending that’s not what’s happening is how you get a fascist takeover. Primary better candidates or deal with it. The rest of us don’t want to deal with your angst in the form of the end of our democracy.
The reason Biden got such a big uncommitted vote is the current ongoing genocide in Israel. The solution is him doing more than simply calling Netanyahu an asshole then turning around and saying “I’m a Zionist”.
IDK, it could also be that Biden is continuing the trump era “lock kids in cages” border policies and has signalled he wants to be even more cruel at the border. So he could stop that as well.
The time has passed, but he could have also not ran this time around. However, his ego got in the way. He has had dismissal approval numbers and he still chose to run which has put us in this position.
The solution is for Biden to listen to the voters before November and to change tact on critical issues. Before he loses a chunk of voters that simply don’t vote because the choice between two genocidal candidates violates their moral compass.
I say all this as someone that will vote Biden. He’s out of touch and running a terrible campaign. For fucks sake, he should be saying “abortion” at every rally, but he won’t because he’s a devout Catholic that has a hard time hitting so hard on a clearly winning issue.
His campaign can be summed up as “I’m not trump” which is exactly what fucking got trump into power the last time.
No, no, NO! voters need to understand that democracy demands sacrifice. Stupid, uneducated and selfish voters should grow up and learn that their problems, their dreams and desires aren’t representative of the country’s, the vast majority of which is center-right somehow.
Democracy is when you hold your nose, put your own desires in the back seat, and vote for who you’re told to.
Anything else leads to fascism you tankie/shill/russian/chinese agent/you absolute child!
Edit: Holy shit i did such a good job pretending to be a liberal biden lover it even fucked up the guy i was agreeing with! Sorry cogman. read it again as a satire
“I’m not the other guy” is actually a very strong case when you look at the other guy.
The other guy wanted a “Muslim ban”.
The other guy has a subdivision in Israel named after him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Heights
Biden supports Israel due to long term alliances/treaties.
Trump supports Israel because they’re killing undesirables.
They are not the same.
Biden supports Israel due to long term alliances/treaties.
That’s not what Biden says…
He said that when he was a small child and Israel was formed (Biden is literally older than Israel) his dad told him that Israel were the good guys, and had Biden promise to always support them.
That is why Biden calls himself a Zionist and will always support Israel.
A promise a toddler made to his farther almost a century ago.
But hey, that’s just going off what Biden has been saying for decades, and unfortunately we can’t just believe what Biden says. He could be lying or just confused, it’s a coin flip.
Let’s simplify the situation for you. Israel has been designated as a U.S. Major Non-NATO Ally under U.S. law. So Biden can say whatever he wants. He is compelled, by US law, to support them.
But you’re right, we should all vote in Cheeto again who definitely would do better in the situation.
I get it, they’re both shit choices. Spicy Cuttlefish or Vanilla Bean Paste situation.
Bruv, I’m just making the rational choice in a binary system. The choice that leads to less bad shit happening to me and the rest of the world.
Begrudgingly voting for Biden probably isn’t enough. It’s too close, and Biden doesn’t excite voters enough.
You need to get others to do it too. And the fact is, that’s really hard to do if you’re trying to convince voters directly.
What’s easier and has a chance of working is being outspoken now before the general has even started, and pray that someone on his campaign team realizes Biden is going to have to move left to beat trump.
Or you could tell people to shut up and hope Bidens campaign team realizes on their own before it’s too late while getting zero feedback from voters.
Pick inaction all you like, I just don’t like it’s chances.
Tens of thousands of Michiganders on Tuesday cast their ballots for “uncommitted,” putting them on track to garner more than 10 percent of the vote statewide. That figure seemed likely to exceed past levels of “uncommitted” votes in Michigan Democratic primaries, though fall short of sparking a political earthquake.
I would say that as a Biden supporter, I do have some jitters, but “angst” isn’t the right word. The current fraction of “uncommitted” votes is 13.3%, which isn’t much higher than Obama’s 10.7% in 2012. The difference could be random noise, but if it does represent approximately 2.6% of voters voting in protest then it should be something that the Biden campaign takes into account to some extent.
The weird thing to me is how many people showed up to vote - a little over 760,000 as opposed to 195,000 in 2012. I’m not familiar with Michigan politics enough to explain this, but I assume it wasn’t caused by the presidential part of the election and it might have altered the average demographics of the voters relative to 2012.
In 2016, Trump beat Hillary in Michigan by less than 11,000 votes
Yesterday, 101,436 Democrats voted uncommitted in a noncompetitive primary against an incumbent president after just 3 weeks of statewide organizing to advocate for an “uncommitted” vote selection
The Democrats should be extremely worried. They would need to win Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, and Pennsylvania to get 271 electoral votes without Michigan. Do we feel so confident in that result to entrust the future of American democracy to it?
Worried? Why? Did you not see Trump lost 35% of his own primary as a former president. There are WAY more warning signs for Trump in the general. 40% of Haley voter are never Trumper republicans. Pair that with him not being able to clear 65% as a former president and he’s toast.
I think it’s a mistake to count all 100,000 uncommitted votes as results of that protest. (But it was clever for Tlaib to pick something that surprisingly many people would have done anyway - it was impossible for her to lose in the court of public opinion even if literally no one actually supported her.) The 1/5 or so of the uncommitted votes that were (by my estimate) protesting are important but they’re not essential. Their votes have to be balanced against appealing to other voters elsewhere and against what Biden considers to be prudent policy.
If the extra 3 points of uncommitted don’t vote Biden in the general, Trump wins Michigan. His victory margin last election was less than 200k votes.
Cute how people are still in denial that everyone in Michigan will accept Biden supporting Genocide.
These people are not as spineless as you.
I too like to get all my political knowledge from YouTube university of political science. Seems super legit and accredited.
Good thing you have mainstream propaganda outlets for fake rape stories
You have a strange binary thought process and you’ve done this repeatedly in our conversations. For some reason, you think that because I don’t trust YouTube as a news source I must by default be a Ny Times subscriber; I don’t agree with Hamas massacring people, so by default I must be defending Israel. It’s really…weird.
