Refuse. They can’t force you to use it. If they want you to use discord, say you only use matrix. If they want you to use chromeos, say you only use GNU/Linux
They can’t force you to use it.
No, but they can fail you for not participating in required class exercises.
No? It’s not their hardware and even if it was they can’t force you to use that hardware. I’m not sure about the laws around it but I do know schools can’t force you to agree to contracts (such as EULAs)
Schools sign the contracts themselves for license deals. The program either doesn’t collect the same data, or doesn’t collect anything other than analytics.
They do this in Enterprise too. All of our enterprise software is a special version made for distribution. No EULA is involved.
Maybe times have changed but when I was in school a decade ago they would just say I don’t care and punish you for not doing your work lol, they can absolutely make you use it by virtue of being in charge
What’s easier from the teacher/teachers representative, use 1 widely distributed app, or download 100 different messaging programs/interfaces and make sure every student knows the proper channels to contact every other student?
There will always be someone unhappy, let’s try to keep that from being the person who has to do this dance day in and out for the rest of their underfunded lives?
100 different messaging programs/interfaces
It’s like four or five. We did this back in the late 90s. Some people used AIM. Some used Yahoo Messenger. Some used ICQ. And some used MSN. We survived.
It was such a common thing that multi-protocol clients like Trillian were popular.
Fine, use one app but make it the Free Software one, then.
Regardless, it is completely unreasonable to dictate that people consent to onerous third-party corporate terms of service in order to access government services, especially ones enforced by truancy laws!
Oh, wait until you get a job in most offices. Microsoft, Microsoft everywhere.
BYOD with Linux? “We can’t install the company’s spyware on it, get that security risk out of here.”
When you’re supporting ten thousand machines on four continents and confirming to twenty different data protection doctrines the last thing you need is some neckbeard rocking up demanding to store data in their unauditable homebrew fork of Haiku or some shit.
What is achieved with GPOs and agents is compliance, not security.
In other words, company issued devices don’t protect the data, but they ensure conformity with relevant regulations and standards. Which is what most organisations actually care about.
Many good IT people really do care about actual information security, but not those in charge.
The result are devices that hinder some people’s work but provide questionable actual security.
Im all for privacy and obviously working where you want to but like really? Your unwilling to take a position if the desktop/laptop you use only for work doesn’t have an OS that’s acceptable? Regardless of pay/perks/etc you wouldn’t take a position where everything is perfect except you have to use their specified OS? This is genuine curiosity hopefully this doesn’t come accross as me trying to say I doubt you or your not entitled to your opinions but I just don’t get it, curious to understand why. What industry do you work in? It makes sense if a certain OS could make your job harder but I would be more worried about being able to use software that I want rather than OS at least at my current position.
If an organisations’ security relies on the end device configuration there is no security.
You can bring your own devices, but you don’t get permission to access anything?
Or what are you even trying to say about what the end users device being able to do anything
For the user or the company? Assuming the user isn’t a moron with computers?
Edit: guess im out of the loop as a contractor who generally only does BYOD with my linux machine
For the company, and no one should ever assume for a moment that everyone has their guard up at all times and is infallible.
I am so looking forward to my daughters to become students. Definitely going to discuss this topic through with every person I have to. I am so not going to use WhatsApp or whatever similar software again. If there’s no other solution, they can call me or write a letter :D
In Europe Whatsapp is the default messaging system. Everything else is cumbersome. Sure Signal is better but only like 3 people have it.
Do what I did and send a message to everyone you care about saying “deleting whatsapp and switching to signal” or something like this.
It’s also a good way to weed out people who aren’t important in your life, I.e people who care about you will most likely install signal to keep in touch.
This is the way. I had a story in WhatsApp for 3 months every day with a picture that I am going to fully switch to Signal and Threema and won’t be available over WhatsApp anymore. As you said, people who want something from me will have to jump over their shadow and write me over one of those. And it absolutely worked, took some time, but it worked. Some people even have signal installed only to text me. The rest just calls or sends SMS. I am from Europe btw. and it worked even though WhatsApp is so strongly used over here.
Yeah but if you don’t have brightwheel or seesaw or whatever the fuck, you won’t be getting important notifications. They only only call when you’re late for pickup or your kid shit so bad you have to take them home. Some of these are tied to billing as well. Don’t want to use My School Bucks? No aftercare or cafeteria breakfast/lunch. Sack lunch only.
It’s a huge pain but in many cases there’s no way around it.
I’m aware the original subject matter of this post is different, but the walled garden apps that you have to use no matter what start as soon as they enter preschool
I don’t know any of these apps and I don’t know if they are used in Europe too, but if I really have to use some of these apps (and I understand that can absolutely happen), there will be an old/cheap phone laying around with these apps installed, they won’t be on my primary phone.
I concede that that may not be the case outside of the US. In my experience here, though, there’s a whole world of apps and ecosystems that schools for children use now that I’d previously never heard of.
it’s ok just make the account, everyone is using it
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My son’s school created an MS account for him, for christ’s sake! In 1st grade…
