A.I. Is Making the Sexual Exploitation of Girls Even Worse::Parents, schools and our laws need to catch up to technology, fast.
But they’re banning printed books in libraries instead…
I’ve always taken the “protect our children” argument to have an implied “…from the knowledge that will actually protect them from abusers” based on the things the argument is trotted out for.
I called this an unpopular opinion before, but maybe it’s just an uncomfortable one
This isn’t going away. It’s in the wild, there’s no putting it back in the bottle. Maybe, let’s take this chance to stop devaluing women because their nudes exist. Men can post nudes with zero consequences - what’s the logic here? IDGAF if they’re a teacher with an only fans, if everyone can be rendered nude, no one can be.
Let’s live in a post nudes world. Next time a woman is about to get fired over nudes, let’s say “it’s probably ai generated, you’re disgusting for suggesting such a thing”. Let them do it behind closed doors, or we shame them relentlessly. Anyone sharing nudes without consent should be the target here, who cares if they’re generated, shared with trusted partners, or shared publicly for their own reasons.
The person bringing them into an inappropriate setting are the ones doing something wrong. No one should be shamed or feel fear because their nudes are being passed around - they should only feel disgust.
Men can post nudes with zero consequences - what’s the logic here?
I’m not really sure if that’d be the case if I did that
Counterpoint, a congressman released a sex tape of himself with a prostitute.
I’ve never heard of a man getting fired because someone stumbled across his nudes - not saying it’s never happened, but it doesn’t happen much. I’ve heard of plenty of female teachers getting fired for it, but also female office workers.
It seems like there’s this idea that being able to see a woman nude somehow discredits her and undermines her authority. The same idea doesn’t exist for men
And I’m pretty confident that you could post nudes online, and even if someone found them, it wouldn’t end up with you ending up in HR or having to justify yourself… Maybe you could have personal complications because of it, but probably not social ones
Sounds great. But perhaps you have forgotten the existence of the patriarchy? Basically the very thing keeping double standards like that in place.
So fight those standards? Do you think “the patriarchy” is a nebulous state that affects society like a modifier in a video game? Reject those standards in your interactions with other people and you’re effectively fighting the patriarchy. That attitude only leads to accept things as they are while you go through the path of least resistance.
This is a human problem, not an AI problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t neglected it for the past century…
Ai is definitely making things worse. When I was at school there was no tool for creating a deep fake of girls, now boys sneek a pic and use an app to undress them. That then gets shared, girls find out and obviously become distressed. Without ai boys would have to either sneak into toilets/changing rooms or psychically remove girls clothes. Neither of which was happening at such a large degree in a school before as it would create a shit show.
Also most jurisdictions don’t actually have strict AI laws yet which is making it harder for authorities to deal with. If you genuinely believe that AI isn’t at fault here then you’re ignorant of what’s happening around the world.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/29/clothoff-deepfake-ai-pornography-app-names-linked-revealed That’s an article about one company that provides an app for deep fakes. It’s a shell corp so not easy to shut down through the law and arrest people, also hundreds of teenage girls have been affected by others creating non consensual nudes of them.
When I was a kid I used to draw dirty pictures and beat off to them. AI image creation is a paint brush.
I very much disagree with using it to make convincing deepfakes of real people, but I struggle with laws restricting its use otherwise. Are images of ALL crimes illegal, or just the ones people dislike? Murder? I’d call that the worst crime, but we sure do love murder images.
Ai is definitely making things worse. When I was at school there was no tool for creating a deep fake of girls, now boys sneek a pic and use an app to undress them. That then gets shared, girls find out and obviously become distressed. Without ai boys would have to either sneak into toilets/changing rooms or psychically remove girls clothes.
I’m sorry but this is bullshit. You could “photoshop” someone’s face / head onto someone else’s body already before “AI” was a thing. Here’s a tutorial that allows you to do this within minutes, seconds if you know what you’re doing: https://www.photopea.com/tuts/swap-faces-online/
That’s an article about one company that provides an app for deep fakes. It’s a shell corp so not easy to shut down through the law and arrest people, also hundreds of teenage girls have been affected by others creating non consensual nudes of them.
Also very ignorant take. You can download Stable Diffusion for free and add a face swapper to that too. Generating decent looking bodies actually might take you longer than just taking a nude photo of someone and using my previous editing method though.
You could do everything before, that’s true, but you needed knowledge/time/effort, so the phenomenon was very limited. Now that it’s easy, the number of victims (if we can call them that) is huge. And that changes things. It’s always been wrong. Now it’s also a problem
Photoshop has existed for quite some time. Take photo, google naked body, paste face on body. The ai powered bit just makes it slightly easier. I don’t want a future where my device is locked down and surveiled to the point I can’t install what I want on it. Neither should the common man be excluded from taking advantage of these tools. This is a people problem. Maybe culture needs to change. Limit phone use in schools. Technical solutions will likely only bring worse problems. There are probably no lazy solutions here. This is not one of those problems you can just hand over to some company and tell them to figure it out.
Though I could get behind making it illegal to upload and store someone’s likeness unless explicit consent was given. That is long overdue. Though some big companies would not get behind that. So it would be a hard sell. In fact, I would like all personal data be illegal to store, trade and sell.
Though I could get behind making it illegal to upload and store someone’s likeness unless explicit consent was given. That is long overdue. Though some big companies would not get behind that.
But many big companies would love it. Basically, it turns a likeness into intellectual property. Someone who pirates a movie, would also be pirating likenesses. The copyright industry would love it; the internet industry not so much,
Licensing their likeness - giving consent after receiving money, if you prefer - would also be a new income stream for celebrities. They could license their likeness for any movie or show and get a pretty penny without having to even show up. They would just be deep-faked onto some skilled, low-paid double.
AI is a genie that can’t be put back into its bottle.
Now that it exists you can make it go away with laws. If you tried, at best all you’d do is push it to sketchy servers hosted outside of the jurisdiction of whatever laws you passed.
AI is making it easier than it was before to (ab)use someone by creating a nude (or worse) with their face. That is a genuine problem, it existed before AI, and it’s getting worse.
I’m not saying you have like it, but if you think laws will make that unavailable you’re dreaming.
Paywall. Nope. Exploit those girls with your AI then. The messages against it can’t be heard without money.
Why do you think that journalists don’t deserve to get paid? People on Lemmy are even more entitled than people on Reddit.
The messages against it can’t be heard without money.
You shouldn’t need an article to tell you not to exploit people.
Why do you think that journalists don’t deserve to get paid?
they didn’t say that. you’re making a leap of logic and putting words in their mouth
Obviously they didn’t say exactly that, but how else are they supposed to earn money?
If you think your message is important, you shouldn’t bury it. Their message isn’t important. Their message is just to bring in money. “Journalists” can fuck right off. A real journalist is someone in the right place at the right time and telling about it because it’s important, not to make a career out of it. Consider Karl Jobst. He’s a journalist. He’s even getting paid. You know what he’s not doing? That’d be sitting in an office promoting a website with a subscription fee. Jobbers are not journalists.
As much as I would like to blame ai. Photoshop has been doing this for a long time already. I think the public ai sites already do csam searching and stuff for this already but somebody could still run it locally.
And how many times have you made this comment, only to have it pointed out that there is a big fucking difference between a human manually creating fake images via Photoshop at human speed using human skills, versus automating the process so it can be done en masse at the push of a button?
Because that’s a really big fucking difference.
Think: musket versus gatling gun. Yeah, they both shoot bullets, but that’s about where the similarity ends.
Is the genie out of the bottle at this point? Probably.
But to claim this doesn’t represent a massive shift because Photoshop? Sorry but that’s at best naive, and it’s starting to get exhausting seeing this “argument” trotted out repeatedly by AI apologists.
Yeah ai would let you make more kiddie porn at a faster rate, but you can’t really regulate that. If somebody wanted to draw animated kiddie porn they could still do that. How far would you go until you ban crayons?
I digress, yes, I don’t like that this shit is happening and there really isn’t a way. Making kiddie porn is already illegal and there’s no way to regulate these tools so we can just try our best to catch them.
Some people say this ai thing for porn could lead to less sexual abuse. It’s so dark I’m kind of speechless but maybe it could even reduce actual people from getting physically hurt but I have no clue, time will tell.
If somebody wanted to draw animated kiddie porn they could still do that. How far would you go until you ban crayons
It’s genuinely impressive how completely you missed my point.
How about another analogy: US federal law allows people to own individual firearms, but not grenades.
But they’re both things that kill people, right? Why would they be treated differently?
Hint: it’s about scale.
The same is true of pipe bombs. But anyone can make a pipe bomb. Genie is out of the bottle, right? So why are there laws regulating manufacture and ownership of them? Hmm…
