Some communities there are literally calling for the annihilation of Ukraine
https://programming.dev/comment/1999097
edit: Since people are either willfully or otherwose are missing my point, this is a pro-russia, pro-fascist hate group, therefore we shouldn’t give them the platform to spread their shit. this is not about me seeing their community or then causing issues accross other communities, it’s about de-platforming fascists.
The better question is why can’t you moderate yourself and block what you don’t want to see? Although with the above screenshot it’s like you’re looking for it.
it showed up on my feed against my will and I dislike spreading fascism and genocide apologism.
a better question is, why are you okay with it?
so what does it help if I block it? I can block it out, that doesn’t solve anything, it will still be there.
How this was shown to you against your will? You had blocked it and it was shown anyway? How would lemmy know what’s every users will?
Just to be fair, that user isn’t even a hexbear member.
well if you read the comments, they are all saying it, this user is the only one spelling it out literally.
They have hundreds, if not thousands, of members all along a spectrum of leftist belief. Wild that they all were saying that, yet the comment only got 3 upvotes.
With every post I stumble upon about defederating with hexbear, I just feel more and more radicalized.
then you are a prime example of why de federation should happen, these are not leftists, these are misguided tankies at best, fascist shills in disguise in reality, down to the fact of them discovering this “new truth” (excellent video here btw https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g)
these are leftists the same way Nazis were socialist, North Korea is democratic and China/Russia were communist.
Russia is ruled by fascists, there is a reason both Orbán and the GOP are big fans of Putin.
how can you call them leftists while they shill russian propaganda? they all but come out and straight up say that Ukraine should be left alone to lose the war and be conquered?
People should still have the right to see that content. If you don’t like it then block it but defederating deprives other who want to see it.
Everyone should be allowed to be given a Platform including Fascists. If you Defederate them they get looked in there Bubble and you reaffirm their believes, meaning that there aren’t any people anymore to challenge their Believes. Which is just going to make them more extreme.
These are not people learning new ideas and sharing them. They know it’s disinformation from the jump. Their aim is to trick you into believing they are genuine.
defederating deprives other who want to see it.
No, it doesn’t. Go to hexbear.net and you can see it.
They’ve been stirring shit across lemmydom.
But, they haven’t hit everywhere, nor have they hit everywhere equally.
This means that instances where the defederation policy is reactive will not, and should not defederate until and unless users from there cause problems.
Have you checked the federation/defederation policy for your instance? If not, you should. If it is a reactive policy, then it comes down to you deciding to stay and use the block feature to curate your feed, stay and attempt to change that policy (good luck), find other instances to use, or use apps with instance filtering features.
It is my personal policy to not have a single account. I decentralize as a user. I recommend this to anyone and everyone in the fediverse. This makes it much easier to shift around as needed to avoid problematic things like this. If I don’t like the federation policy of a given instance leading to a bad actor instance causing trouble, I just don’t use that instance for a while, and eventually the disruptive place will get defederated for cause. Easy peasy.
I strongly suggest using an app with instance blocking. Connect, sync, and summit all have it (though I’m not certain how bulletproof each is). This means that no matter where you go, the users from the problem instances are filtered out. This only becomes a problem if you moderate C/s with decent traffic. If that’s the case, it is usually wise to set up a different app without filters to do mod work from (currently there’s only sync and summit that have mod tools that I’m aware of).
I’m less up to date on browser or PWA filtration options.
But, be aware, defederation is meant to be the last choice in most instances. Defederating without a good reason defeats the purpose of federation. Many admins believe in that principle, so this kind of post may not amount to anything at all.
I agree that hexbear is a problem. Because I’m decentralized as a user, I have seen the users from there stirring shit everywhere they target. And that is why they need attention as regards defederation, not having stupid opinions. We, as a general group of fediverse denizens, really need to be careful with calls for defederation solely on the basis of stupidity.
I feel like calling it “stupid opinions” is a bit of a downplay on what they are, which is in essence a far-right, pro russia (and hence pro fascism) echo chamber masquerading as leftists.
I also don’t get your comment you are basically saying I can’t do anything about it, bar maybe creating this post which is exactly what I did, if this instance remains federated with hexbear I will just delete this account and make another one on an instance that’s less tolerant of these things
To be fair I think hexbear is actually far left instead of far right but your other points still stand . They look remarkably similar
you can’t be far left and a Putin fan like they are, those diametrically opposing viewpoints.
The political left is by definition a group of people who believe in a more egalitarian society as opposed to the political right that believe that a hierarchical structure is natural.
and Oligarchy like russia is a very right political system.
kbin allows you to filter instances
