169 points

Wait what, there is a Nintendo switch emulator out there called Yuzu? Thanks Nintendo!

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71 points

It’d be pretty great if an entire generation referred to this phenomenon as the Nintendo Yuzu Effect instead of the Streisand Effect. Or maybe the YouTube Adblock Effect? These companies keep accidentally telling everybody about shit that is relatively unknown yet universally desired in order to not have to pay exploitative prices. Even early Switch games are still fucking impossible to find for less than their launch price. And actually, now that I think about it, the MSRP of the Switch itself still hasn’t dropped either. It costs just as much today as it did 7 goddamn years ago to legally buy a Switch, BotW, and Mario Odyssey. Nintendo’s greed is the reason Switch piracy was ever big enough to be worth chasing, and now chasing it will cause an even bigger boom in it. Well, that and their shitty controllers. I don’t blame anybody for wanting to play BotW with an Xbox controller on their last-gen PC.

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62 points

Nah keep it Streisand effect, as that’s where the term originated, if we changed phrases every single time a company did this, we’d be changing it every hour.

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18 points

True, but nobody born after 9/11 knows who the fuck Barbra Streisand even is, so they definitely don’t know the story.

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9 points

If gameboy games are anything to go by, prices almost never drop. I remember getting a GBA game for 20 euros back when the Nintendo SD was already ending its end of life.

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22 points

There is a copy/fork of it already called nuzu

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23 points

And if they kill that, it’s miizu. Then wezu. Then nouzu.

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9 points

Turns out it was just a 14 year old who cloned everything and hadn’t commited any code to GitHub in the past year. Suyu is the new wave now.

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4 points

It’s not the distribution that they wanted to stop. It was future updates

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5 points

Yeah that’s not gonna stop either.

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It’s getting pulled down basically everywhere so you’re going to have to find some smaller communities or individuals to get your hands on it now. That’s the real annoying part here lol

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1 point

Yeah, there’s totally not Mirrors around with the original source code that got pulled, and the entire internet having collectively archived it before Yuzu itself pulled the plug
Also it was the only Switch emulator in existence, there totally isn’t another emulator going around
Also you totally should not follow what I said here, y’know, emulation is wrong after all according to Nintendo

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The code itself is not illegal, so hosting it is fine.
Just dont encourage piracy, like at all. No linking, no support, and certainly not patching for games which didnt come out yet and offering these fixes early for payment.

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1 point

That’s my Nintendo, always forcing me out of my comfort zone to discover cool, niche new communities to enhance my piracy know-how! Thanks, Nintendo!

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-3 points

Not anymore

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18 points

Looks like it’s still available through a mirror.

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1 point

Imma just put this here, totally unrelated thing
Also, in a totally unrelated note, y’all should check out this project, I find it really cool

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119 points

If there’s one thing I know about the situation, a LOT of people who otherwise haven’t bothered are scrambling to download yuzu, if for any other reason to say fuck Nintendo.

It’s me, I’m people.

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28 points

Me too. I’ve never cared for Switch games, I don’t even have a console, but now I’m discovering many gems on my computer.

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Both of my roommates own a switch and I’m welcome to use them. If I’m gonna play, I’ll just use those. Still, I’m people.

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6 points

Streisand effect for me. Never heard of this project until Nintendo caused a fuss.

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2 points

same

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81 points

Open source projects do not grow by themselves. It requires serious effort from dedicated developers to develop and maintain applications as complicated as an emulator. Yuzu’s developers are banned from doing so and I don’t see how this incident could help bringing more developers.

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28 points

I’m sure there will be developers capable enough to keep it working on new operating systems. Games that worked with it until now will keep on working, and that’s what matters to most people anyways. No need for major changes to the codebase.

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39 points

I truly admire the optimism but I think it’s also important to understand the hard work and dedication that the Yuzu developers put in.

You’re correct that someone probably will fork it and development will continue but it is not simple and it requires a very specialized skill set.

I just think it’s important to never take for granted the people who take time out of their lives to give the community something so wonderful.

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11 points

I don’t think it’s diminishing the work of the Yuzu devs, but more so a strong belief in the capabilities of the open source community. They worked their asses off and are extremely talented, and I’m sure there are others who will hop in and carry the torch.

I’m also curious if there’s a programmatic way to circumvent the argument Nintendo made about bypassing DMCA by separating the emulator from the code that utilizes the keys such that you can use tool A to bypass DMCA, and tool B (Yuzu with game decryption removed) to run the circumvented game. In this case tool A already exists, and tool B could be a fork of Yuzu.

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8 points

to keep it working on new operating systems

That’s really easier said than done

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4 points

Yeah, of all the forks and mirrors I’ve checked out, none of them even have the Android builds. Obviously I’ve not checked them all, but still…

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16 points

What do you mean with they are banned? Who’s gonna stop them from contributing to one of the many Yuzu forks? What are they gonna do about it?

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22 points

A permanent injunction is entered against Defendant enjoining it and its members, agents, servants, employees, independent contractors, successors, assigns, and all those acting in privity or under its control from:

a. Offering to the public, providing, marketing, advertising, promoting, selling, testing, hosting, cloning, distributing, or otherwise trafficking in Yuzu or any source code or features of Yuzu

IANAL but that sounds like the court is banning those developers from working on Yuzu. I mean, you can still try to work on project that is 90% Yuzu but with another name but I feel like your lawyer would advise against that.

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11 points

Who’s gonna stop them from contributing to one of the many Yuzu forks? What are they gonna do about it?

The answers are “the court system” and “have the police arrest them for defying a court order” respectively.

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5 points

Can’t they just create pseudonyms?

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8 points

Nintendo would stop them. If yuzu devs want to go to court, they can continue development.

Yuzu devs could do it anonymously, but that’s gl on not doxxing yourself, at risk of lawsuit.

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5 points

it’s most likely part of the cease and desist order

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5 points

I mean, I guess it can happen through private web communities of course. It would just enter the region of game cracks.

Also marginally possible someone reverse engineers, and puts up something unrecognizable compared to the original.

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this doesn’t apply to hundreds of their contributors tho right

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2 points

What if I told you that throwing more developers at a problem != that problem getting solved faster?

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there are hundreds of open issues on ryujinx.
so there are hundreds of problems with zero developers to solve them.

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57 points

Switch 2s architecture will probably be very similar, so Nintendo might have done it to protect the next gen.

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16 points

Yeah like that is going to work. There are forks left and right.

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23 points

Forks are meaningless.

Unless a team steps up to continue development, the project is as good as dead.

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12 points

I can still play emulated games right now, so its alive and well for my purpose (playing games that I fucking paid for without stutter at 60fps)

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10 points

Are there any that actually have a new team behind them that would presumably add Switch 2 support?

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4 points

Dunno, but it will come

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6 points

It is working. It buys them enough time to sell enough new hardware and games. It will take a really long time until development picks up again, since basically every developer associated (not necessarily every one who has contributed to the project) with the yuzu group can no longer legally work on that project. So basically a lot of expertise is lost.

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3 points

There are literally working forks right now. Switch 2 support is different though. We’ll have to wait and see how that turns out.

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3 points

Of course it’s not gonna work. But that’s just how lawyers think I suppose.

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2 points

More like Nintendo thinks they can deal with their costumers, but the outcome stays the same so it doesn’t really matter

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45 points

It’s a shame about Yuzu. Have you heard about this new emulator called Nuzu?

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“Sue you” lmao

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3 points

Don’t forget about it’s inevitable fork “suye”.

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3 points

This aged like milk.

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3 points

Don’t be silly, milk lasts a whole lot longer

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