Radicle: Open-Source, Peer-to-Peer, GitHub Alternative
https://radicle.xyz/
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I dislike that JavaScript is required… not just for best experience or functionality, but literally to get a non-blank page. Not even a <noscript> is left.
One of the failures I think of all of these forges is they keep trying to tackle getting users by posing moral arguments instead of technical ones too. I hate Microsoft GitHub as much as anyone, but what am I getting from Forgejo or this if instead of fixing the issues with MS GitHub, they are trying to copy everything–including the bad stuff like compatibility with a YAML CI system & the glacial pace of the pull request model where maintainers act entitled rather than just merging shit then fixing their nits. Like, pitch me a CI system that isn’t shit or review that isn’t dogwater like the pull request model & now I’m interested in migration for a better experience rather than just a FOSS clone that doesn’t get you anything better other than a clearer conscience.
rather than just merging shit then fixing their nits do you have something in mind better/more practical? Merging stuff from any contributor without reviews sounds bad.
You review the ideas & code at a high level. I feel like you didn’t read the “nit” part. Instead I get review for my flyby patch (no plans to be a mainstay) where the idea is fine, but the maintainer wants me to worry about variable names, spacing, & other BS that doesn’t matter. You get a ton of “please add space here” type comments & the maintainer is putting the onus on you to fix their quirks which leads to a really slow review process full of irrelevant nitpicks. A maintainer should just merge that code & fix the nits themselves rather than expecting everyone to care about their naming conventions. Pull request model in an MS GitHub-like UI encourages this behavior.
What benefit does this have over forjero, which I believe is doing this and already very widespread?
Off the top of my head: with Forgejo, you alone have the burden of hosting your repo, which means if your repo becomes popular, you have to deal with the costs of all that traffic to it.
The nice thing about the P2P/seeding aspect of Radicle is that anyone can clone your public repo and help seed it to others.
I see that Forgejo is working on federation which should help distribute the load of hosting a repo, but that doesn’t look to be completed yet
This doesn’t pass the smell test.
- Instructs to pipe the output of
curlinsh - Assumes that
shisbash[1] - “Community” behind it is apparently originating in Berlin, and is now a “nonprofit foundation in Switzerland”, but has no publicly disclosed legal structure anymore.
- “Community” behind it uses discord, but not revolt, matrix, simplex or others.
- “Community” behind it uses twitter, but not mastodon.
- Cryptobros.
sh <(curl -sSf https://url.redacted/script)↩︎
Installing by piping from curl is pretty common and not a red flag in and of itself. Even Rust is installed this way. If you don’t trust the URL, you also shouldn’t trust any binary installers downloaded from that website.
Can you elaborate?
I was under the impression that there was some kind of consensus around rust being one of the safest languages to use. However, I’ve seen comments about rust being bad pop up in a few threads lately but they never explain why they think so.
Serious question: What is the point?
Just push into half a dozen mirrors and you are pretty censorship resident without the crypto voodoo put on top of git.
Github has one huge value: Discoverability of a project. This is even worse than hiding your project in one of the smaller forges… nobody can remember the mess of letters you need for this.
Do you think it’s good that the majority of code is hosted on a proprietary service? Do you think it’s good that that service is centralised? Do you think it’s good that if you want to provide an alternative to that service, you create another island with a different ecosystem that cannot communicate with the other island?
No, I would prefer a world where not everything is concentrated on github, but that is the world we have to work with:-)
But how does this address any of the problems you brought up?
Do you think a project will be more discoverable when you say: “Clone foo/bar from github” or when you say “install this strange crypto-BS, then clone rad:xyhdhsjsjshhhfuejthhh just like you normally would”?
Apart from discoverability you get a known workflow for contributors, a CI and a bug tracker. Coincidently those make it hard for projects to switch away from github… how does this address any of that? “Use this workflow, which is even wierder than any of the other github alternatives!” and “just set up a server yourself”?
Sorry, this is just yet another crypto-bro solution in search of a problem. Technically interesting, I’m give you that, but useless.
No, I would prefer a world where not everything is concentrated on github, but that is the world we have to work with:-)
Then how do you not see the point of a distributed sourceforge?
But how does this address any of the problems you brought up?
Have you read the webpage? radicle is opensource, it’s distributed and thus many interconnected islands, just like the fediverse. Why are you on the fediverse and not on reddit?
Do you think a project will be more discoverable when you say: “Clone foo/bar from github” or when you say “install this strange crypto-BS, then clone rad:xyhdhsjsjshhhfuejthhh just like you normally would”?
Again, have you even opened the webpage?
Sorry, this is just yet another crypto-bro solution in search of a problem.
So github is not a problem? And regarding crypto, show me where in the code it forces you to use crypto. Show me the rad command that inhibits you from doing a normal git operation by bringing up crypto.
Git is a DISTRIBUTED version control repo. You can fork to different services from Github. https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/git-forks-and-upstreams
And Github has a REALLY extensive API to interact with from other servers too (even issues and such).
Peer to Peer stuff sounds awesome, except it’s only as reliable as the nodes. And, Github is hosted on many servers, with a huge amount of redundancy. It’s basically a privatised P2P system where each server is reliable, instead of a bunch of unreliable public hosts which might not have backing from a large corporation.
And whilst we’re talking about reliability, even centralised stuff like Sourceforge is hosting code from 20 years ago. Whereas, it is difficult to load a torrent from 2 years ago lol
OK, track your issues in git with access from others on a web interface. Let somebody make a merge request to your project on github from gitlab, gitea, or straight up from your local git repo without a github account.
@onlinepersona @hunger have you tried hosting your own git repo? I never thought I’d live to see git, of all things, being considered “proprietary service”. Also Hunger suggested using more than one server, which means it’s not completely centralized.
There’s really no meed for p2p crypto magic here, git just works
git is open source. Github as in the repository hosting service is owned by Microsoft, a company for whom the phrase “for profit” isn’t severe enough a description.
I’m not sure if you’re making a bad faith argument or genuinely didn’t understand I was referencing github.
Also, where is the crypto magic? The website doesn’t mention crypto at all…
For anyone who wonders, this is related to cryptocurrencies
@pcouy Don’t confuse crypto with cryptography; I don’t see anything about cryptocurrencies here
The company running the project is heavily involved with cryptocurrency. https://radworks.org/
They seem to be running their own “DAO” as well. https://www.tally.xyz/gov/radworks
What’s that got to do with radicle though? I can’t find a single mention of crypto in the radicle project 🤔
