suyu, prounced “sue-you”
The lawsuit against Yuzu is going to have the exact opposite effect they hope.
All it’s doing is increasing public awareness of the project, and because it’s open source it will just sprout more heads like a hydra, and it will live on forever.
I really doubt that they are that stupid. My guess is that they are hoping to hinder the development of the project for a bit to delay the switch 2 implementation in yuzu or a future switch 2 focused fork.
Also, all the ppl that were directly associated with the group are no longer legally allowed (or at least would risk a lawsuit against them) to contribute. So a lot of expertise got lost.
Okay, how would sintendo know if some of the original Yuzu devs are working on it if there is no trail leading back to them? If I were a Yuzu dev, I’d just start a new account and get right back to work on a fork that is gaining traction just to spite those subhumans working for a legal dictatorship.
Lol. Sure because those ppl are not publicly known. Coding style, writing style on issues etc.
Opsec can be hard especially when you have to have a public facing entity.
Just simply too much risk for having nothing to gain only to lose.
If I were a Yuzu dev,
But you are not. And you are just talking and doing nothing.
It would make it harder to compensate the devs for sure, though. They lost their finances and whoever picks the project back up will need to build their revenue stream from scratch although I feel that a good portion of yuzu contributors will just start funding one of the forked projects.
I really doubt that they are that stupid.
I wasn’t referring to the Yuzu core team.
all the ppl that were directly associated with the group are no longer legally allowed (or at least would risk a lawsuit against them) to contribute. So a lot of expertise got lost.
Sure, the core “Yuzu” team. That doesn’t include any of the external contributors. There’s very often a larger contributor base outside of a core team in FOSS projects.
And yes, there’s expertise that was lost. But that doesn’t mean no one else knows how to do the work. It will march onwards.
The only reason Switch emulation is as far along as it is is because they made a mistake with the hardware in the Switch’s 2017 model. As long as they don’t make a mistake like that again, they’ll probably be fine.
Physical access is the one thing you can’t shield a device from permanently. Eventually you have to relinquish some security to let users play on their consoles, or allow your service teams the ability to debug and repair it.
Those will always be the way in for anyone with the will and means to reverse engineer your system.
Modern systems being built on open hardware (compared to their predecessors) is a big thing too. ARM and x86 are easier to debug and emulate than Cell, for example.
The devs had years of experience with 2 very successful emulators . Any new project would require some serious knowledge of the switch and low level programming in a variety of domains. There are a handful of people able to do that. Im guessing they were all either working on yuzu or ryujinx. The yuzu team is no longer allowed to work on emulation so that just leaves ryujinx who are already working on their own.
I want the forks to succeed but its not your standard program we are talking about. Then we have the fact that any successor would have an immediate target on them. Thats a tall ask for anyone.
Is it possible for the devs to create a free guide? Or offer classes in “emulation”?
I doubt it, they need to leave the scene as part of the deal. Could they come along and do something anonymously , sure but I doubt its worth the risk to them.
That’s what everyone tells themselves because “haha Nintendo stupid”.
No it’s not going to have the opposite effect. Best case scenario a different team will take over the project and continue, which is not impossible, but far from a given. More awareness to an abandoned project? Yes, but the entire point is that Yuzu developers won’t add Switch 2 support, and that was assured.
No it’s not going to have the opposite effect.
It will. The nature of the project will shift from a core team like Yuzu had to a decentralized process. If they avoid the legal pitfalls that killed Yuzu (like donations) then there’s little to nothing that Nintendo can do legally.
There’s already a project forked from Yuzu called Suyu that has a ton of activity on it. To me it looks like all the external contributors have jumped on to that new project and are working on removing all references to Yuzu and they will continue the work.
The dev process has absolutely been temporarily halted and significantly slowed down, but it’s not going to stop.
Best case scenario a different team will take over the project and continue, which is not impossible, but far from a given.
It happened within 24hrs of the news.
More awareness to an abandoned project?
The binaries for Yuzu and all the tutorials still exist. Everything that has worked on Yuzu until now will continue to work forever. The news has simply increased awareness to the average person that you can play Switch games on a computer. People who otherwise would never have known about it.
And all of this completely ignores another still existing Switch emulation project that was just as capable as Yuzu that has existed for just as long.
So yes, it is ABSOLUTELY going to have the opposite effect. At the very “best”, Nintendo won an empty victory.
Yes the project can continue. The original developers, who were obviously best suited to continue it, are gone. I’m sure suyu can do a good job, but I just don’t see how you can call it a positive.
I don’t know who the suyu contributors are, but so far all the activity was renames and migrations to GitLab, not a single technical commit. Are any of them actually able to work on a Switch emulator? Maybe they are, I genuinely don’t know, but the activity on the project so far doesn’t indicate that.
You say the binaries and tutorials still exist. I wasn’t interested in Switch emulation before this, but wanted to try out of curiosity when this happened. I’m a developer myself, and it was difficult finding information. All the download sites and tutorials are dead, and sketchy alternate downloads cannot be trusted. How is the average person, as you say, supposed to download Yuzu now? I eventually got it running but it was far from easy and I had to view tutorials through archive.org. Again, not impossible, but far from the “opposite effect”. Access to Switch emulation for the average person was lowered.
The only thing im absolutely sure is this it’s going to fuel rage agains this shit in some people, which being honest is what we need.
Im so feed up with us buying something just to not own it, that alegation about being unable to give instruccions to people to download info from their devices (the keys) is absolute bs.
“We are trying to get the builds working.” And begging for contributors on discord. This isn’t a real project, just a reupload of yuzu’s source code with some overly optimistic aspirations.
Building a community around Discord ain’t it
I hope the former Yuzu developers can coalesce into one or two projects and continue their work on a completely different project like Suyu, with other repos syncing to it in case it gets taken down later.
Calling Suyu a “completely different project” is a bit misleading. :D Because it’s just Yuzu with a rebranding or renaming. I don’t think the former Yuzu developers will work on any fork of Yuzu, which is probably part of the settlement.
Yes, I jest, only in hopes that the other projects are “completely different” for the purposes of the lawsuit and settlement.
Not likely to happen, since part of the settlement requires all of the devs to stop work on all emulators permanently. It’s not worth the personal risk that they’d be taking on, because they’d be violating the agreement and opening themselves up to direct personal liability. For this lawsuit, they were shielded by the Yuzu LLC. But if they violate that agreement, they’d be opening themselves up to personal liability instead. And nobody wants to be owned by Nintendo for life like Gary Bowser.
