“It’s so hard to get movies made, and in these big movies that get made — and it’s even starting to happen with the little ones, which is what’s really freaking me out — decisions are being made by committees, and art does not do well when it’s made by committee,” she added. “Films are made by a filmmaker and a team of artists around them. You cannot make art based on numbers and algorithms. My feeling has been for a long time that audiences are extremely smart, and executives have started to believe that they’re not. Audiences will always be able to sniff out bullshit. Even if films start to be made with AI, humans aren’t going to fucking want to see those.”
I don’t know why studios keep meddling.
She said the script she signed up for was way better, and what got released is completely different
Like, I know some stuff will always change. But this comes up so often and it’s just producers fiddling with shit
This is often over looked when people wonder why someone might sign up to something that is a trainwreck, and it usually comes down to the final film being far different than the original vision. Hell, a movie can be destroyed during script rewrites, bad scenes, and even during the editing process! Bladerunner has multiple versions based on editing the same filmed scenes. The theatrical version was ruined by insistence on a voiceover and the final cut is the best version due to what they cut out or left in.
This one sounds like the Bladerunner theatrical cut being ruined by execs, and that does suck.
The best known opposite example is Star Wars (A New Hope). When George Lucas screened it for Spielberg, Spielberg didn’t know how to tell George how terrible it was without ruining their friendship. George gave his steaming pile of shit to his wife and she and her editing partner literally built the classic we know today from it. George learned his lesson and gave Empire to someone else to direct and his wife to edit.
I don’t know why studios keep meddling.
Movies get expensive. Studios are afraid of the risk and want to play it safe. They start meddling.
And then they ruin it. They should understand their limits and realize they’re hurting the bottom line by not trusting the people who know this stuff better than them.
Having spent way too long in corporate middle management, I can tell you that there are a lot of people in corporate offices who think they’re geniuses when they are, in fact, fucking morons.
Conversely, how many times have we all heard people talk about the latest Star Wars movies with the, “how the fuck did they green light the trilogy with no structure” argument?
I’m not advocating for studio meddling, but this is the highest of profile projects where it arguably would have helped. JJ Abrams set that clock back to zero
It’s either that or try to make cheaper movies instead, but even then they need to trust the people who actually make the movies.
I attended a conference where a former 20th Century-Fox executive talked about the way she meddled in the trailer process with technology. It’s all about numbers and metrics – if enough people, in the right demographics, didn’t watch the whole trailer on YouTube, they’d cut the next trailer to cater to that group. Even if it wasn’t a great representation of the movie; her bonus depended on people watching the trailer.
I can’t remember the last time I saw a movie trailer that made me more excited to see a movie than less, I generally try to avoid them at this point like most advertising and feel better for it.
Yes and that too bad, I’m not sure if it was the novelty or just the naive rose-tinted glasses of youth but trailers seemed Awesome when I was a teenager.
Now? Eh.
I feel like I’ve seen too many trailers with shit exploding and the one and only funny scene of the movie, that they don’t really attract me anymore.
The real lesson here is never be in a Sony superhero movie. 9 times out of 10 they fuck it up.
Is it some sort of scam where they have to make the movie or they lose the rights to them? I can’t think of any other reason for shit like Morbius.
Yep. If you watched madam web you will clearly know how bad the movie looks. The spider lotus fan film is better than madam web. That’s how bad it is. Morbius atleast had decent visuals.
How long will I have to wait before someone says “it’s webbin time” cause i don’t think I can handle that kind of disappointment
The visual effects at times were good but those moments were rare. The first appearance of Las Arañas was awful - the costume design and effects totally put me off. It had so much potential but Sony didn’t commit to making this film. They phoned it in and ruined the introduction of an influential character in the comics.
But when they get it right they really get it right. The whole Miles Morales storyline came out of no where and fucking exploded.
In my mind it was great because it was an animation and execs think anime is dumb, so they won’t meddle with it. If they ever make a live action Miles Morales story it’s going to suck.
I think it’s also because prior he was less known Spidey, whereas the others are kinda overused at this point.
I was originally thinking about this while looking up some background actor.
Like, for many of these folks, these shitty movies pay bills. Many aren’t living a life of luxury. And if you get chosen for a Sony superhero film, And the pay is good, why not take it?
I can eat, keep the lights on, and have enough left over to not worry for a little bit. Otherwise I can starve on someone else’s principles.
There’s nothing morally wrong with being in a bad movie. Even if you meant artistic integrity (which is what I really assume) there has always been a lot of bad art (music, movies, plays, paintings, books, whatever) produced. There’s no shortage of people who want to be a part of that for reasons ranging from surviving to having a good time.
If you don’t like something, don’t watch it, read it, listen to it, or look at it. Don’t accuse others of not having integrity just because you can’t fathom why they do what they do.
Honestly the DC animated movies are mostly great. Not high art or amazing, but fun superhero films.
My guess is that the animated department has way less oversight
The only main DC movie I’d recommend is The Flash tbh. My expectations weren’t high, but it’s better than most of the other shit from the last few years of self-indulgent superhero rubbish.
That and James Gunn movies are pretty much all that’s worth your time.
Well, making a good superhero movie is harder than people think. At the end of the day, studios are risk adverse, and making a woman focused superhero movie is seen as riskier as it is more niche, which means they are more prone to interventions and design by committee, so it is a self perpetuating problem.
Speaking of which, Lemmy plug “Birds of Prey” (also starring some crazy clown woman) here today, in my humble and totally unbiased opinion, it’s a pretty fun superhero movie that more people should watch.
Birds of Prey remains the best film to come out of the DCEU and it’s a damn shame it’s been slept on.
Nah, James Gunn’s Suicide Squad blows it out of the water. It’s definitely one of the better ones though.
I thought it was insultingly boring. Sometimes very bad. None of it made sense and the editing/pacing was trash. HQ had some good moments though, and her performance was fun-ish. The Suicide Squad was better by a country mile IMO.
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While we’re on the topic of female driven action movies. This one got lost at the box office because it was released in early 2020. Shame, because it’s smart and exciting and doesn’t follow all the ‘revenge’ tropes people are used to.
This reminds me of SALT and The long kiss goodnight, both excellent female lead films.
Thanks for sharing. That looks awesome and I’m going to check it out! Crappy name, though. I’d have instantly given it a pass assuming it was a musical centered around a high school band.
I like that one, too! It’s no dramatic piece, like Dark Knight or Winter Soldier, but it’s a rocking good time. It knows what it’s trying to be, a silly Harley Quinn and company movie. I wish the little kid was less annoying in the movie, though lol.
It’s no dramatic piece, like Dark Knight or Winter Soldier, but it’s a rocking good time.
You get it.
But I still wish it did a bit better at the box office though…
Cassie died on the way back to her home planet.
I worked on that movie. I can tell you that the crew knew it was going to be a stinker for the entire time it was being made.
It was GREAT money while it lasted even though Sony was unbelievably stingy at times. We (the crew) quickly came to look at it as a box office writeoff.
As we always say,
I don’t write em. I just light em.