And I say he’s the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
Knows not what it means
And I say yeah
Nirvana - In Bloom
could do this with adults choosing between ‘donnie darko’ and ‘inception’
We’re currently experiencing a second wave of misunderstood Starship Troopers, due to Helldivers 2 getting popular.
For the unaware, Helldivers is basically a Starship Troopers video game. It has all the same themes and satire. And yet there’s a massive part of the player base that doesn’t catch the satire, and believes it’s just the greatest alien-killing game to ever be made.
I never really understood how people didn’t understand Inception. Maybe it’s because Nolan’s head was entirely up his own ass during the writing phase that the ending seemed rushed, obscure, and very “first year creative writing class” in its resolution, but it’s pretty straight forward that the intent was to
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create an ambiguous ending where the viewer debates whether or not Cobb is still dreaming.
Donnie Darko is some next level mind fuckery though.
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He fulfills the Grandfather Paradox on himself in order to save reality from being destroyed.
Crazy shit. Now I need to rewatch DD.
he fulfils the grandfather paradox on himself.
Taking “go fuck yourself” to new heights.
What’s to misunderstand about Donnie Darko? I get a complete lack of understanding (particularly if the person had only watched it once), but I’ve never heard a real misunderstanding of it.
What is the intentional meaning of Scott Pilgrim besides being an awkward teen brained romance plot?
Scott objectifies Ramona, and through a series of physical fights with her exes, learns that he was fighting for a person that only existed as an idealized version of a perfect relationship. He subconsciously devalues Ramona, Knives, and himself throughout the entire film and only at the end does he realize that Ramona is a real person who should be treated like a real person and not a trophy.
Most people just like it because of the stylistic graphic novel aesthetic that they NAILED.
Let’s be fair here. While that is the point of the Scott and Ramona story, the movie didn’t really put a lot of effort into portraying that. The comics went a little more deeply into that dynamic and fleshing out the relationship, it was still pretty much the background against the character personality showcasing, and over the top dramatic fights. The movie really did nail the vibe and the characters but the whole “I think I learned something” and the end of the movie really downplays the “lesson” of the whole plot. So much so that I don’t think Scott himself even fully understood the actual lesson he just learned. Just that what he was doing was wrong, and needed to change, but not why and what exactly it was he needed to change.
Great movie for sure, even better comic series, but a deep complex plot it isn’t.
Scott not really understanding what he learned or why he needed to change actually fits very well with the new anime.
I am not usually one to roll my eyes at literary analysis, but these themes are not well developed in the movie at all. It is absolutely meant to be a visually interesting teen romcom first, with some commentary about relationships tagging along for the ride.
I’m going to be honest, I watched it once in high school because a friend was a fan. It has been a long time since then. This is a casual viewers input with maybe a decade viewing gap lol.
I remember the cool graphics, and I remember not liking Scott very much. The drummer chick was cool, but the focus on Scott’s perspective demanded focus over her for telling the story you describe. Cera put me off some films back then, but I find I appreciate his earlier work in Arrested Development more nowadays.
No real valuable input to be had from me, but as a fan from other fandoms, I can appreciate the struggle of enjoying a setting and then having it consumed for cheap visual entertainment.
I think the films original ending was really nice.
For the uninitiated: after saying goodbye to Nega Scott, he realises he was only infatuated with Ramona, and goes back to dating Knives.
They go back to the ninja arcade dancing game where they broke up, and have fun playing together again.
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I love the comic book-ness that this film has. Julie’s censor was hilarious
The movie doesn’t get into it as much, but the comic focuses a lot more on how Scott is always the good guy in his own head, but in actuality he’s kind of continually been shitty to his partners. Really recommend the comics, because while the movie did a great job of capturing the look and feel of the comic, there’s a lot of material in the comic that the movie just didn’t have time to cover.
I feel like 90% of the people sayin fight club is fighting and shit got that from just watching trailer and the deruving it from the name . The movie is really better than the name makes it out to be
Bingo! The movie completely passed by me since the title was not enticing. Eventually a friend bugged me so much I ended up watching it (years later). It’s a great movie.
I have run into a number of people that had never seen it because they couldn’t stand the very title. And then once I sit them down and make them watch it their mind is blown like they’ve just seen Requiem for a Dream or Trainspotting.
It’s not a toxic masculinity movie. It’s a movie about toxic masculinity.
The name is one aspect of the turn off from it. The other aspect is exactly what the meme brings up. Particularly in places like school, where a lot of nuance and subtlety is missed, the discourse around it comes across as toxic masculine. I know before I saw it, I assumed it was pretty much what it says on the box, just because of stuff I had heard growing up.
Just hearing the quote about fight club. Same with American Psycho. How do you watch it and then think, “wow, I want to be Bateman”.
I always took it as improving yourself generally requires comparison to others and an almost “fake” push to appear better to others and that was a form of masturbation. It’s something to make you feel good and stroke your ego. Abandoning who you “were” and destroying yourself, and in the case of the movie fighting amongst other things, was a kind of freedom to discover more about yourself or to become completely different and it would be more “real” in that the changes made to you simply happened in reaction to the self destruction. It wasn’t something you aimed for because you see a goal as a reflection of society around you and how you think you should fit in.
TBF, the Scott Pilgrim movie made him out to be the Protagonist of his own life while the comics made him out to be the Antagonist of his life.
