In all seriousness it’s very exciting, I just don’t need to see the same information worded 20 different ways from random clickbait sites lol
Look…I use Linux. I love Linux. But let’s be honest. That 4 percent is largely due to the steam deck; a gaming handheld where the vast majority of users don’t know (or care) what operating system it uses as long as they can play their steam games on the go.
That’s not “year of the Linux desktop”, because it’s not a desktop. It just has one hidden under the hood if you want to dig past the steam layer (which, as I said…the vast majority of users never will)
The year of the Linux desktop won’t arrive until there is sufficient market share that software manufacturers are inclined to support us natively. That won’t happen with a gaming handheld because no one would want to use a gaming handheld as a daily driver.
Sorry to be a wet blanket, folks. Downvote away…
It is actually a good thing because “I need windows for gaming” is the biggest reason why compsci and IT people still have windows.
You’re still right that it won’t win over non tech people though.
Gaming is why my son has Windows. Minecraft mods and VR games are basically impossible on Linux, although he actually spends most time in Linux playing Stardew Valley (he’s tried learning Dwarf Fortress twice, and still not really gotten it, but maybe someday).
India, the country with the largest population, has a 15% desktop Linux marketshare.
Additionally, these surveys are highly inaccurate. They are at best a “conservatively low balled figure”. Linux installations don’t send a ping to a server anywhere to count the install, and there’s no other facility to gauge or count through the Linux ecosystem itself. Most computers used for Linux are also sold with Windows pre-installed, which means there’s no clean way to use sales figures either.
All that leaves is the browser user agent when visiting select websites that track and share the number of unique visitors that identify as Linux.
I did the math a few months ago in a different discussion (not on Lemmy) and my math at the time came up to about 50 million desktop Linux users, and that was using the “official” reported numbers of 3.x% at the time.
That also ignores that the Stack Overflow developer survey puts desktop Linux at over 50% for personal use, and (IIRC) about 47% for professional use.
But let’s be honest
You can’t be honest if you look at a single boiled down percentage of a very large, very diverse and technical landscape with more variations and caveats than the English language.
Also, in case anyone is wondering, the Stack Overflow numbers didn’t include WSL. If you do include that then desktop Linux usage was over 70% for personal use.
Obviusly stack overflow users use linux but they are very specialized minority. India on the other hand is actually very interesting statistic. Unusaly high, i wonder why.
I’m Indian. I’m willing to bet a bunch of kids who just built their first pc didn’t realize windows was paid just googled free OS and installed Linux lol
(This is a sarcastic whit at the frugality of my people. Truth is a lot of Indians my age are extremely tech savvy and care about privacy)
The steam deck doesn’t work like a regular gaming console though. Without digging you can switch into desktop mode and it works like any desktop running KDE.
Also, if you’re saying that we shouldn’t count steamdecks because linux came preinstalled, we might as well disregard 98% of the windows market.
While that has been a nice feature on mine, I’ve definitely been more frustrated with the KDE interface than I am when using my Windows desktop - even when my Deck is hooked up to monitors. Much of that could be familiarity, but familiarity is a very real, very important thing.
I’m simply stating that the “year of the Linux desktop” hasn’t really arrived because most of its increase in market share comes from something that isn’t used as a desktop at all by 99.9% of people.
Only 1.63% of Steam users were using Linux in 2023. Since pretty much all Steam Deck users are going to be using Steam, we can’t attribute Linux’s increase in market share to the Steam Deck alone.
Thats like calling MacOS and Playstation rises the “year of the BSD desktop”
Change my mind.
I agree Steam Deck played a role, but they didn’t sell enough to make that large of an increase. That’d be insane. However, it did cause the appearance of gaming on Linux to change, which is the thing that was holding back a large number of users.
I had used Linux several times over the past decade or so. It was never my main OS, and I had actually stopped using it completely for probably 5 years, maybe more. This is exclusively because gaming on Linux was an issue and I didn’t want to swap OSs just to play a game. Last year I went 100% Linux. I know I’m not the only one, and I’m extremely confident that the increase is mostly this, not the Steam Deck. The number of Steam Decks sold seems to be maybe 6m on the high end of estimates, which is not enough.
The Steam Deck was a catalyst, but it is not the source of the change.
I’m just waiting for windows 12. If reports are to be believed, it’s going to be a subscription cloud OS, probably with a thin client. If they really go through with that, then I can imagine linux gaining some ground in 2026 when windows 11 hits EOL.
Quite possibly.
Windows 8 reached end of support in only 4 years.
Particularly if Microsoft thinks they can get away with “Operating System as a subscription” as part of “Windows 12”, then they may well be very aggressive about retiring Windows 11. The software companies are falling all over themselves to force people to pay monthly in perpetuity.
However, I’m thinking that Microsoft sees Windows as their gateway drug, so I don’t think they’d risk making the base platform subscription. They want people to still get “free” OS that nags them with “hey, give us money for backup storage, and you want office, right, and oh you are a powershell user I see? Then you’ll just love renting an Azure instance so we’ll advertise that as part of launching a powershell prompt?” They’ll of course continue the milk the OEMs for license fees offset by bloated “sampleware”, and still ostensibly charge for it to drive the perception of value, but broadly Windows is more a launching board for steering people toward Microsoft subscription services.
If they did throw the switch on “subscription for OS”, then they’d risk people just getting ChromeBooks which will steer the users instead toward Google Docs and Google Drive and all the other services Microsoft expressly doesn’t want users to get into.
Yeah, probably they aren’t, but who knows. Unity thought they were infallible and went for their “pay the installation fee or else” that gave power to engines like Godot.
Don’t think of it like that. Think of it like, “next quarter’s profits”.
It takes a lot of effort for non-technical people to switch to a new OS. Microsoft can capitalize on that to rake in egregious profits for probably five years or more before businesses finish sincere efforts at supporting Linux.
Contrary to the idea that most of these new users come from steam decks, I’ve had 3 of my friends switch to or at least partially use linux. We are certainly growing.
Microsoft has made their os so annoying and I loath when their updates revert settings that took me an hour to find in the first place. Or worse, remove the settings and features I liked to shove some more bs ads and data harvesting down my throat.
So yeah, I’m planning on downloading Linux mint to a flash drive and giving it a try on one of my laptops this month.
To forestall the year 2038 problem maybe we could just start reckoning time based on years of the linux desktop.
Today is 06 March 33 YLD
Linux desktop and fusion energy have something in common, it seems.
Are all top 500 super computers, all the computers at CERN, the servers at Google, Facebook, Amazon, Azure, Netflix, eBay, etc, just a lab?
