Cloth masks were always supposed to be a stopgap measure until vaccines or increased N95 production was available.
People will not mask up again, and quite frankly, shouldn’t have to, especially if they’re not going to use ones that are actually effective.
The pharma companies jacked up the price of the vaccines knowing future waves were coming and yearly boosters would be necessary.
My point is: whether you think people should mask up again or not, it’s just not going to happen, but the actual paths forward, either mandatory vaccinations or at least cheap and readily accessed shots for the willing won’t happen either without government intervention.
That’s weird. My girlfriend got another booster yesterday in Canada for free.
Someone is paying for it. The manufacturer is not just giving it away for free. That means your taxes are going towards it.
Not sure why people say this like it’s a surprise or somehow bad. Paying for public health measures, or just healthcare in general is way better than where a lot of tax revenue winds up.
I’m happy to see “fuck you, I got mine” is alive and well internationally, but why that was your first response to a plague vaccine being inaccessible to the masses should be up for question.
Glad to see you took my comment and turned it into something to hate me for.
I just said that that’s weird, because just yesterday we went and didn’t have to pay. Just giving insight to the fact it’s not a paid thing everywhere.
Seems like Americans still haven’t learned that the internet is GLOBAL. Saying:
The pharma companies jacked up the price of the vaccines knowing future waves were coming and yearly boosters would be necessary.
without any context of where you live, means I can take it anyway I want. So maybe this person lives in Canada, and I commented that it’s weird because my shot was free in Canada yesterday. Stop treating the internet as if it’s a US only thing. State where you’re from. State the currency you’re using (news flash, $ is not American).
Stop being !usdefaultism@lemmy.world
Rub it in, why don’t ya.
(You won’t see the outrageous profiteering of their new pricing directly, but don’t worry, you’re still impacted, even if your tax rates are a bit more sensible)
But let’s be bluntly honest, people’s behaviour has nothing to do with the efficacy of masks. They won’t wear a mask, regardless of efficacy, because they simply do not want to. And they do not care if they spread disease.
There are many, many people who gladly masked up until the vaccines were out and then stopped when they got their shots, like all reasonable medical professionals suggested, and now won’t go back because they’ve kept up their boosters and it’s unreasonable to insist on it.
But, you’re right, the other kind, who aren’t vaxxed and never masked, won’t do their part out of spite, and the only solution for them is mandatory vaccinations or complete social pariahhood, and only one of those is realistically possible.
I did not live in the timeline where medical professionals advised people to stop masking after recieving the vaccine. Because that didn’t actually happen. Masks were recommended long after the vaccines rolled out. And really, were never advised against.
Vaccines protect you, masks protect others from you. And the two operate on entirely different mechanisms and can be layered for greater efficacy at combating the virus.
Our track record dealing with covid shows us that our approach was largely unsuccessful. Masking must be enforced, not suggested. This is the only effective solution.
You people need to be stopped, you are insane autoritarians. The crisis is over, we are but fin to wear mask forever. You had your time in the lime light, now it’s back to normal. Continue to abuse this position and you will not get the population to mobilise again to alleviate the situation.
Masking must be enforced
How authoritative. Personal responsibility is the answer. Not forcing others to your level. If your threat level is that high, ok that is your choice. However everyones threat level to this thing should take into account that not everyone in your community will be on the same page as you.
Unless you want another trucker convoy emerging, I suggest not forcing any mandates. Enforce any mandate on yourself, but only yourself.
You are very, very wrong.
Read this review. https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/ARI_do-physical-measures-such-hand-washing-or-wearing-masks-stop-or-slow-down-spread-respiratory-viruses
People like you shouldn’t live in the west. Fuck forcing people to wear a face rag when the science is far from clear on its effectiveness.
People were such dimwits about it though. Even if you had a security guard at the entrance to every shop challenging people to wear properly fitted n95s, I’m certain heaps of people would remove it after they walked past just on principle.
Yeah it was a shitshow, all because of how politicized it became. No one in 2018 would have thought that asking people to wear a face mask would become such an embarrassing ordeal.
But trust me, it’s easy to catch a mask less person in a store. It shouldn’t take more than a couple incidents before they learn their lesson and make an example for others.
“Police are bad unless it is to arrest people over a mask”
Thanks for coming over from reddit
The American culture is uniquely garbage because of the unique history of having a frontier for self serving pieces of shit to murder a patch of land empty for themselves and assert their right to tell everyone to fuck off. When the frontier was exhausted the homestead became the small business. When the small businesses were absorbed, “you can’t tell me what to do” became having a big truck and eating hamburgers with the motivation of spite.
We’re also uniquely garbage because our nation was founded by a bunch of religious zealots who pissed off everyone in Britain with their dickishness so much that they were told to fuck off and be assholes somewhere else.
I tend to agree, but realistically who is going to enforce it? You’ve got to take into consideration the impact the constant stream of conflict has on low level employees who end up responsible for this enforcement. For those who want to protect themselves, N95 masks are highly effective when used properly.
who is going to enforce it?
In an ideal world, the community. In our current world, the government must require businesses to require customers to wear masks and social distance, and threaten them with suspending their business if they do not comply.
the impact the constant stream of conflict has on low level employees who end up responsible for this enforcement
It will not be constant. Places where this was enforced strictly did not have that trouble. It is the wishy-washy enforcement that empowered people to do this. It will be a short lived protest that dies out quickly, and the suffering will be far easier than that of covid deaths.
For those who want to protect themselves, N95 masks are highly effective when used properly
From my understanding, it is not enough. A person sharing a public space with you and not wearing a mask poses a threat, and this threat is massive if they are carrying the virus (even if non-symptomatic).
People must not have the freedom to cause the death or others by spreading respiratory viruses due to childish irresponsibility because their favorite youtuber said so.
You also need to wear eye protection. Even just regular, prescription glasses showed a 30% reduction in infection rates. Masks don’t protect if other people wont also wear them.
Love seeing your dumb ass post the same redacted study over and over and over again.
And then read this (the follow-up to this widely misinterpreted study)
Make good paying security jobs whose sole purpose is covid enforcement (joking) (maybe) (people who refuse to mask make me angry as fuck. It’s such a low effort way to save lives)
We also need lockdowns where people are supported in staying home long enough to eliminate the virus, regular and updated testing, updated vaccines, free high quality accessible healthcare, and changes to make workplaces safe - like letting people work from home; changing in-person work to be socially distanced, and unlimited paid time off so people can get medical care when they need it.
Wait, you all weren’t wearing masks still?
Give a shit about your fellow humans and yourself.
From a fellow trans person: I know you mean well, but shame/ridicule is the least effective agent of change. This kind of attitude I hear not just from you but other leftist queer friends just straight up leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths and does nothing to convince folks of your cause, no matter how good your intentions are. To quote a Tshirt I once saw: Kindness is more punk rock than a middle finger.
Collective care and justice should be rooted in compassion, not denigration and superiority complexes.
superiority complexes.
TIL needing to mask for health reasons is a superiority complex.
I’m not going to address any of the rest of your comment except to say, stop tone policing a shitpost. The point was to vent about a genuine frustration, not to convince anyone.
Sorry, but somewhere along the way in leftist circles, “don’t tone police me” became synonymous with “I’m allowed to be as shitty as I want to other people because of my trauma” and that’s the behavior I can’t get down with. Trauma is an explanation, not an excuse.
yeah we are pretty pro-bullying people who are doing shitty things over on hexbear, this isn’t going to land
I’m more on the “bullying bad, shaming with explanation of how to fix your behavior good” train myself.
Your idiocy is astounding and it’s a miracle your bloodline hasn’t been wiped out yet by natural selection. This article is a warning against complacency and an effort to prevent a second covid crisis. Idiots like you are for a huge part to blame why the first one was so devestating so shut the fuck up and stick to your esotheric yoga group for middle aged women on facebook.
I like your disdain for journalists and capitalism and the state but sometimes stories stick around for a long time because they’re actually still on-going. Pandemics usually have multiple cycles. There usually isn’t just one big spread and that’s it. The fact that the state f’ed up the response to the initial wave just makes more waves more likely.
Journos are wrong a lot but not 100% of the time just like 95% lol
You know you can follow the tweet to learn more about the author, right?
That “random person” is Trisha Greenhalgh - Professor of Primary Care Health Sciences at the University of Oxford.
Here’s an excerpt from her Oxford Uni profile:
Trish is the author of over 400 peer-reviewed publications and 16 textbooks. She was awarded the OBE for Services to Medicine by Her Majesty the Queen in 2001, made a Fellow of the UK Academy of Medical Sciences in 2014, and elected an International Fellow of the US Academy of Medicine in 2021. She is also a Fellow of the UK Royal College of Physicians, Royal College of General Practitioners, Faculty of Clinical Informatics and Faculty of Public Health.
https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/team/trish-greenhalgh
Her Google Scholar profile shows that her work has been cited almost 95,000 times in other research papers.
https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?sortby=pubdate&hl=en&user=8KQwEGcAAAAJ&view_op=list_works
You mean this data? https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
If so, then don’t just look at the positive tests but at the graph that shows tests performed. Positive tests goes up but tests performed is relatively the same. That tells you it is a real increase in positivity. It could be the start of another big peak, or not. Time will tell, but you’d think going through the last years one should pay attention to such statistics. Because if you start taking measures only when you are back to 100.000+ cases a day you are a bit too late.
Right back at you. Please show me where I am not “chill” here? There is one person who is not chill and its certainly not me.
You can still choose to wear a mask or not, theres no law yet or is there? So just don’t, I guess?
The smaller bumps by the way occur because people kept getting vaccines and boosters. How does that look like where you are? When was the last time you got a shot or a booster? From the sound of it a while ago.
it’s just that it is still such a small number of cases that it doesn’t matter.
To the best of my knowledge there is no meaningful surveillance in the USA or EU. Some places are still doing wastewater testing but it’s difficult to make solid determinations from wastewater.
If so, then don’t just look at the positive tests but at the graph that shows tests performed
and patients committed
I “admit” committed is funny because that’s what COVID and all of the “I did my own research” hoopla has made me feel like. That I’ve been committed to an insane asylum with all of the loonies spreading their theories justifying their behavior without impunity thereby making COVID more deadly as it lasts longer given such time to continuously mutate…
