The US primaries and the general election are two different things. Voting uncommitted in the primary expresses support for the Palestinian plight and does not give Republicans any ground.
The uncommitted movement presents a safe and effective avenue for voters to voice dissatisfaction with President Biden’s policies, particularly with the Israel-Hamas conflict. By doing so in the primary, voters can signal discontent without risking a Republican victory in the general election. The purpose is to send a wake-up call to the Biden administration that it is failing to address issues and effectively engage with the party, vis a vis that Biden is enabling a genocide.
That being said, anyone who calls for an uncommitted or third-party vote in the general election i will personally kick in the gender neutral balls (in Minecraft).
That’s not the message though, so this is disingenuous or misleading. We all 98% agree the US should tell Israel to quit their shit and not give them more funds or weapons, and that it’s disappointing Biden and 90% of the US political establishment have supported this. However, what people are told is we should not vote for Biden, and vote third party or not vote, to ‘send the Democrats a message’. Enough people doing that would have the predictable result of getting Trump elected, so yeah, it’s a decent question why people would suggest that when a Trump admin would surely be worse on the Palestine issue.
Enough people doing that would have the predictable result of getting Trump elected,
I agree with this and it’s what I’m afraid of. I totally support voting in the primary as you wish, even just to send a message (I support voting how you wish in all cases). But in this case using primary voting to send a dissatisfied message about the Democratic candidate has me worried it will instead send a wider message (or mass media will push this message) that the US populace feels Biden is unpopular compared to Trump.
Which is absolutely not the case with the vast majority of people voting against Biden in the primary. But that kind of message (accidental or intentional) can do real harm to prevent a literal fascist takeover in November. This is the totality of my concern and if we weren’t facing down the potential end of democracy in the US, I’d give a lot less shits about potentially torpedoing Biden’s chances. And I feel a lot of the hate against Biden has galvanized right around the time the primary season started which seems convenient for Trump.
You can’t argue this without being called a conspiracy theorist who likely also believes that 9/11 was an inside job as well (or at least was permitted to occur by the CIA)
you misunderstand the us primary election process.
The uncommitted movement presents a safe and effective avenue for voters to voice dissatisfaction with President Biden’s policies, particularly with the Israel-Hamas conflict. By doing so in the primary, voters can signal discontent without risking a Republican victory in the general election. The purpose is to send a wake-up call to the Biden administration that it is failing to address issues and effectively engage with the party, vis a vis that Biden is enabling a genocide.
it’s so depressing dude. children and families are dying and somehow when a group of people get together to try to make change in a safe way they get accused of supporting MAGA.
i’m so blackpilled with how quickly this community takes to knee-jerk name calling and misinformation.
please google “uncommitted movement”; virtually every assertion you make here is false.
No, I sure don’t. Talking endless shit about Biden will affect more than the primary.
Talking endless shit about Biden will affect more than the primary.
i agree! and so does the uncommitted movement. that’s why a third party or uncommitted vote will not be called after the primary. the shit talking will generally end as soon as the primaries are over, regardless of the outcome.
you seem to be here in good faith so i encourage you to look more into what the uncommitted movement is thinking. these aren’t stupid folks and they well understand the concerns which you bring up and are strategizing within that very framework. perhaps you will be led to interrogate assumptions you had previously made, perhaps not. :)
If you don’t want to hear people shit-talking Biden then you need to either avoid politics altogether or stick to a filter bubble that doesn’t tolerate such criticism.
And most people aren’t saying you need to vote for Biden in the primary. They’re talking about the general.
I agree that Biden is a piece of shit, but if you don’t vote for that piece of shit, then you’ll end up with an even worse piece of shit. Don’t even think that you’re “sending him a message” by not voting or voting third party.
It absolutely sucks that things are like this, but sometimes you have to vote for a genocidal cunt to prevent an even worse genocidal cunt from getting elected, even if it makes you feel bad. Trump becoming the new president would only make things worse for you, and for Palestine, and for Ukraine.
Third party and proud gang. A key reason we’re in this mess is because people keep voting for the same two wolves.
Genuinely not true. Our electoral system more or less requires two candidates de facto to function - it is not a failure of the commons, it’s a failure of the systems of government. We need ranked choice voting, at which point we can actually begin to meaningfully remove ourselves from this insanity and have more than two de facto political parties.
Voting third party is the same as not voting in the United States under our current system.
Gross. Don’t make this sub about this. We can be anti genocide without being pro religious extremist. This reads as pro republican propoganda - no one needs that.
196 stands with Palestine —literally the mods of this community
please self-examine as to why you read religious extremism into a pro-democrat, anti-genocide post.
you aren’t the first to say so. any thoughts of a better way to write it?
i have creator’s bias so i readily admit it may not be the best in rhetorical quality even though i thought it was good enough to post originally
I used to believe Democrats when they said stuff like “unlike Republicans, we accept valid criticism of our politicians”
But they’ve really gone out of their way to disprove this. Their treament of Palestinians and immigrants at the southern border inspires no confidence that they will protect my rights as a LGBTQ+ person. They’d run me over with a tank if it were politically convenient.
Nancy Pelosi: “We’re capitalists, and that’s just the way it is.”
This was an important admission on her part. Corporations didn’t start accepting women, racial minorities, LGBTQ+ and the disabled by hiring them and marketing to them because they had some epiphany that these people were all humans who had intrinsic value simply from existing and being human, and as such they deserved respect. No, of course not, the reason they started accepting the “untouchables” was because their abject greed outweighed their bigotry. They wanted our money. The only color they actually care about is green. Capitalists never changed their minds or their bigotry, they just decided that making more money was worth it to hire women and blacks and gays and to also market to them so their paychecks would be recycled right back into the capitalist coffers.
There was a wild story the other day where someone actually did say this out loud.
“As a tourist community, I want to shake every tourist upside down by their ankles to get money out of them,” he said. “Therefore, we should be open and inclusive of everyone, and everyone should feel comfortable to come here and spend their money.”
The real issue is that the majority of Democrats (especially the ones at the national level) are Corporate Democrats who absolutely have internalized all this. It’s why you got Nancy Pelosi doing useless fucking performative bullshit like kneeling while wearing Kente Cloths while real legislation is somehow always on the backburner or has some Blue Dog fuckwit blocking it. It seems the party always has a convenient scapegoat like Joe Manchin for why we can’t pass worthwhile shit when Democrats have a majority. (Last time around it was Joe Leiberman)
Thankfully, local races are not as abysmal and Democrats on the local level and at least in my area, the Democrats are progressive as hell. The national party is in a incompetent corporate death grip, and they are unlikely to let go any time soon. The national party has been bought and paid for by people who never cared we existed to begin with, they just wanted our cash.
Further, we’re in a no-win scenario. We either accept the abuse at the hands of the Democrats who are holding Trump and fascism over our heads like a cudgel to force us to vote for them even we don’t agree with what they’re doing or we accept that Democracy in America is Over and that Dictator Trump will take the reigns. The most maddening part about all of it is the implicit admission from the national Democratic Party that they will do nothing to stop Donald Trump because they don’t actually care about us, the citizens they supposedly represent. They will berate us if Trump wins, tell us we didn’t vote hard enough, and that it’s all our fault, while they quickly skip the country to avoid being fucking blackbagged and murdered by Trump Thugs. They’re more than happy to let us suffer the consequences while they skirt them, like always. Why?
“We’re capitalists, and that’s just the way it is.”
at least in my area, the Democrats are progressive as hell
As someone who lives in South Dakota, I envy you. The Democrats here tend to be even worse than Pelosi. They’re Blue Dog through and through.
I’ve considered running locally myself, but my “radical” beliefs would definitely be exposed, and I don’t want my husband to deal with the death threats. That, and my work schedule.
To be clear, I agree with everything you’ve said. You are quite a bit more articulate than I am.
This shit is just spam at this point
