“Direct File provides a free, secure option for taxpayers with simple tax situations in 12 states to file their taxes directly with the IRS,” the Treasury Department said. “Direct File is easy to use, with no hidden junk fees, and works as well on a smartphone as it does on a laptop, tablet, or desktop computer. Direct File shows taxpayers the math so they can be sure that their return is accurate, and they are getting the refund they are entitled to.”

You can check whether you qualify to use the system at directfile.irs.gov. Based on the eligibility restrictions in the IRS program, the Treasury Department said it “estimates that one-third of all federal income tax returns filed could be prepared using Direct File.”

But there are many limits that would prevent taxpayers from using the system.

What you can and can’t file

142 points

Meanwhile, here in Sweden everyone can logon to the tax authority’s website get a prefilled out form ans digitally sign it in 2 min total.

This has been the norm for me the last 5 years, before that I used the preprinted tax form in the mail, I signed it and sent it back. Done.

The US needs to make it easy and convenient to pay taxes.

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The problem is that companies like Intuit have resources/lobbyists and really want to maintain their position in the market.

https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-turbotax-20-year-fight-to-stop-americans-from-filing-their-taxes-for-free

Your system sounds wonderful though.

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Eh, in New Zealand it’s been one click digital for a very long time too.

I was told they don’t have modern tax forms accross the US because of lobbying from companies like Turbo Tax.

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In the US, I get to spend a few weeks stressing waiting for various forms to be mailed back, then spend 5 hours answering questions on a tax software, to finally get a result of how much i owe/should pay. Then I do it on one or two competitors to see if the math adds up, and most of the time it doesn’t.

If I’m lucky, it’s only five hours.

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6 points

A few years ago, I did my taxes on the bus to work…

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1 point

Cool!

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0 points

I didn’t.

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Thank you .

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In the UK, the vast majority of people in normal jobs don’t need to do anything as it is all dealt with by the employer. Only those with more complicated situations need to do anything, and even then it’s normally relatively painless.

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6 points

Same here, unless you do something complicated, you don’t need to chabge anything

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Not every country has the same relationship to their government. In Switzerland for example our government does not know what we own and have earned, we declare it ourselves. It is fully digital but still takes longer than 5 minutes (it usually takes me around 30 minutes with an income to declare as well a some stocks and other things).

I guess the US has a similar relationship to their government.

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It’s easy if you only have income from one job. If you have income from any other activities they will not have the information required. Things like rental property income, selling items on sites like Etsy requires inputting your expenses for those activities. Sites like eBay and Etsy will send you an income statement called a 1099. This includes all of the money for all of your transactions including shipping that you charged the customer. So you have to deduct your expenses from that amount, unless you want to pay taxes on money you didn’t actually earn. There are other items that count as deductions as well, including property tax deductions in certain states.

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Here in a Spanish province the app had the correct information prefilled with my job changes, the stupid 50 euros I earned from the gamestop craze and all the special savings accounts that were dax deductible. I only had to add the special rent deduction (amount paid and % of that amount that’s was mine), and the app calculated the amount that I was to be deducted from that and my age.

It’s great, in has an explanation of all the deductions, it lets you edit everything before submitting, and it’s free.

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2 points

That’s basically what free filing is in the US except you have to input your personal information and the information on the tax receipt called a W2 that you receive from your employer. They even call the basic tax form the 1040ez. Then that information automatically populates into your state tax form. Yes, we have to pay federal and state taxes separately.

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72 points

These states:

  • Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, and Wyoming
  • Arizona
  • California
  • Massachusetts
  • New York
  • Washington
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22 points

Strange way to list the items, but thank you.

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It’s listed that way on the Direct File website because the top group of states don’t have state income tax (so you don’t need a separate state return), and the others the Direct File tool has some kind of arrangement to redirect you to the state’s platform at the end to file your state return (on the website there’s a separate explanation for how each of them work).

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4 points

Thank you.

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7 points

These states account for 147 million people, about 43% of the country. Not too bad for a pilot program.

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46 points

Back in the mid 90s, when I was a very low income earner and filing the 1040EZ, I could call an IRS phone automation and input my SSN and the relevant numbers and be done in minutes. Did that go away with the internet? Seems like they were on the ball technically then.

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It went away because Intuit and other tax preparation companies bribed lobbied the government to keep tax filing difficult

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4 points

Inputting your ssn on the phone is pretty wild.

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There’s dozens of free file options for low-income earners. Head to the IRS website and find them for yourself.

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For over a decade, the IRS knowingly listed fake free options on their site because Intuit paid them to. Victims were sent to Intuit-owned sites that promised free filing, but would then be tricked into corners requiring them to pay to actually file (usually after spending a great deal of time and energy to get to that point). Even after public backlash, the IRS continued to list the sites as free because of lobbying cash from Intuit. The IRS was complicit. They were lying for profit. Fuck Intuit and fuck the IRS.

The IRS list should never, ever be trusted. They burned that bridge all the way into the river in my opinion.

The only actual free tax filing option out there is FreeTaxUSA.com . I know the name sounds dumb but this has been around for years and does what it says it does. Some types of filings may incur a charge, but the charges are very low and there is never any trickery. Also, it’s easier to use than TurboTax.

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FreeTaxUSA is free for federal. They charge (a reasonable amount) to file state taxes.

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2 points

god this shit makes me want to commit fucking crimes i swear to god. If domestic terrorism was ever justifiable.

I think the jury would probably side with this instance.

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I never heard about any literal bribes the IRS accepted for the above, more that it was bog standard defunding and congressional lobbying.

Can you link a reputable article about this?

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You’re right that a lot of them have conditions and requirements to be able to free file, but usually they have those requirements explicitly stated on the list. It may take a little more time than calling some random schmoe and give them all your tax info and have them fill it out, but it’s hardly a vast conspiracy.

If you find that you can’t free file with a service, despite falling into the criteria stated on the website, use a different service on the list. And if they have that option, report them to the IRS.

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44 points

Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Wyoming, Arizona, California, Massachusetts, New York, And Washington are the states you can use this in, since the site in the OP just gives you a link to the IRS website that lists the states.

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6 points

Yeah, was bummed my state isn’t supported this year. Hopefully next year.

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1 point

Hope while inaction or call your local politicians

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1 point

Thanks for this!

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17 points

I don’t think I’d be able to use this service even if it existed in my state, my self-employed taxes are apparently too complicated even though I currently only have one contract/employer. They need to simplify the tax code.

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You could probably use the IRS’s free fillable forms (https://www.irs.gov/e-file-providers/free-file-fillable-forms; totally free and works for a lot of forms), but it’s harder to use.

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This is what I use but it takes 4-5 hrs usually.

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