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110 points

“Off”

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59 points

Exactly. When I put a device off, it’s supposed to stay off.

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19 points

Nooooo, but it’s all for your security and convenience, see? They know better than you when to turn your device on or off, don’t you worry your pretty little head about it one bit! Plus, I bet it also protects the children and prevents terrorism too! Why would you turn your device off, are you like a terrorist pedophile or something? /s

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7 points

<Incredibles Meme> Off means Off </meme>

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93 points

That’s great.

I like a phone that’s able to just run little Bluetooth beacons when it’s powered off. Especially ones that can’t be disabled except by disassembling it.

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I’ll take it. I’d rather not lose my phone above it pinging the Bluetooth while powered off, and they sell Faraday cage boxes for pretty cheap if I have reason to not want any signal coming or going to my cell phone, which I would trust more than any phone pre android 15 with, if I want to be paranoid about it. So even now I don’t trust that my phone being off means it couldn’t be located. None of the hardware in my phone is open source.

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I don’t like how privacy is becoming more of a binary. If the choices really become “either let the phone turn into a beacon or stuff it in a Faraday bag” then that’s one hell of a choice isn’t it?

And hypothetically, if phones were always capable of doing this to some degree and we just weren’t informed somehow, then they’re finally rolling that functionality out because it’s become culturally normalized. Which frightens me more, frankly.

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8 points

Bro, how many years you been seeing movies and TV shows where they stomping on phones and pulling batteries an trashing them “so they aren’t tracked”. They do it in the movies because that public perception has been there for ages. True or not.

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8 points

I would want the Faraday cage to have a beacon on it, so that I could find my phone even if I lost it while it was in its Faraday cage. Logical.

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2 points

You are a brilliant man.

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7 points

Custom rom ?

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28 points

When it’s shut down the custom ROM isn’t running. This would be custom firmware for the phone.

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5 points

Or it isn’t really “off” and they’re faking it.

But yes, you’re probably right that it’s something lower level.

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Depends if this is already baked into the firmware the device shipped with and is just being pushed into user space with a software update, or if the update is also pushing out the firmware to add it.

If it’s former, then yeah, probably SOL.

But if it’s the latter, it might be possible to get avoid and even get Android 15 ROMS that strip out those parts.

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I’d be surprised if custom ROMs were a thing on the Google Pixel, which is the most likely phone company to allow such a thing to begin with. After all, their Pixels are still technically developer phones, AFAIK.

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I wouldn’t trust my current phone even with a custom rom. Some stuff could be at the hardware level. You want to know your phone can’t be found for sure, buy a little Faraday cage box for like $15 online and then test it to make sure it works.

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2 points

I’d prefer it be an option I can enable or disable per device.

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1 point

I wish pinephone pro’s weren’t booty. Hardware switches to cut power to everything from the WiFi module to the camera sounds pretty hot in light of this.

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84 points

That feature is right on the border between real neat tech and deeply unsettling.

“Hey, my phone uses its last few electrons to turn into a bluetooth beacon to stay findable” sounds like sci-fi “reserve power emergency mode”

“I can’t turn off the locator chip in a device that holds half my life and memories” is just dystopian.

I’m wondering if there would be a way to keep it useful while minimizing impact for people who stay off the grid. A hardware switch would probably be a good start but they won’t fly with current all-touch designs.

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It will be seen how they implement it, but since Google is creating their own version of the Find My network, it will likely be tied to activating that. If it’s anything like the way the iPhone does it, disabling Find My would turn it off, they might (should) also provide the option to turn it off when powering down your phone.

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On iOS there is an option to disable it until you turn the phone back on when shutting down, right under the shutdown control.

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5 points

Yes, I was saying Google should implement the same thing.

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minimizing impact for people who stay off the grid

People who stay off the grid don’t have smartphones!

As much as we enthusiasts like to try and have our cake and eat it too, the only way to really be completely private/secure/anonymous is to be completely disconnected. Threat models and compromises and all that.

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36 points

Great we finaly get the features that the NSA has been saying is “classified” Big step for open spying for everyone

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35 points

“How can we sell Intel Management Engine to phone users?”

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