109 points

I hate that. One of the reasons I dislike Samsung phones. Last phone from them was a Note 8 and unless they go back to a pure Android experience, I won’t get another. We know that isn’t happening any time soon.

Honestly I’m super over all our current choices. Im on an iPhone and while I like their privacy stuff slightly better than android, there are lots of things I don’t like.

I also hate how much metadata the big G snorts up. Even just the location data they retain is out of this world.

There just aren’t any options if you want something that doesn’t keep you boxed into a closed ecosystem or track every love you make.

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48 points

You can get a Google pixel and sideload an operating system such as Grapheneos, and you won’t have to deal with any of Google’s bs spying. Highly recommend looking into it.

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26 points

I recently made the switch and it’s great. Definitely takes a bit of understanding and research to know what you’re getting into, though.

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6 points

Yeah. That’s what I’ve been looking into. I used to root and do roms and stuff. Back in the day I was pretty involved in the XDA community.

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3 points

At that point why not just using Samsung phone and sideload the OS? Seems weird to do that on Pixel which has inferior hardware and good software (like its camera apps), and then remove the software

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11 points

Simple reason being that there’s no notoriously good OS for Samsung phones.

Graphene is highly focused on not being annoying while keeping privacy intact. You can, for example, have Google Play Services, within a sandbox. Everything can be denied network access, or any access really, on a per app basis.

It also relies on Google’s security chip to keep the chain of trust intact. The boot sequence and your private keys are kept intact that way. Not everyone documents and opens their hardware as well as Google. Samsung is notoriously terrible and full of it when it comes to allowing you to do your own thing.

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I wanted to do that but need to use Google apps for work (specifically google chat won’t work).

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You can run Google Play services on GrapheneOS it’s called Sanboxed Google Play. It allows you to run Play services as a normal app without any special privileges so you can install it without sacrificing all of your phones data to google. Should allow you to use pretty much all Google apps.

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9 points

What about the fairphones? I was reading up on them and might get one. I like that they come with an android fork and open-source apps so you don’t have to deal with Google. Plus being fully repairable and sustainably-made. Does anyone have any experience with them?

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The problem is getting one if you’re in North America…

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2 points

Where are they originally? Would it be easier to get one in Europe?

I have a note 9 and i think its time to replace this piece of shit. It lasted like 2 years without problems and then “magically” is started to fail

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5 points

Apple’s biggest success is convincing people they care about your privacy.

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2 points

It’s really frustrating because Samsung is basically the leader in Android phones right now.

I hope we get a bunch of new good options this year because I really need to upgrade and posts like this remind me why I don’t by Samsung.

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2 points

wtf do you go with for a quality hardware android reasonably priced? LG got out of the phone game which sucks ass. Pixel can be great but they are all flagship prices. Samsung, while having horrible shit like this, is quality hardware and has lots of models under $200.

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89 points

Straight up gambling apps too

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3 points

Imagine having a gambling addiction, struggling to overcome it, then your phone auto installs gambling apps…

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2 points

Gotta gamba

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88 points

Samsung has been a malicious bad actor for a while now. It’s not just phones; they also pulled shit like retroactively adding ads to people’s smart TVs etc.

(Also, even their “dumb” products, like appliances, are designed to fail just outside warranty. If you don’t believe me, take a look at my washer’s spider arm, which failed catastrophically due to corrosion even though nothing else in the machine had so much of a speck of corrosion on it. Samsung is clearly capable of specifying corrosion-resistant materials and chose not to on purpose in order to create a failure point.)

Everyone should completely boycott Samsung.

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Your corrosion issue is due to dissimilar metals which, when in contact with one another, begin corroding immediately. They chose those materials knowing full well what would happen.

Their appliances are absolute garbage and I’ve read that many repair places refuse to work on them because they’re built so poorly.

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Galvanic corrosion is a thing every shipyard on the planet has known about since we invented the propeller, of course they knew what they were doing.

Never owned a Samsung phone but 5 minutes playing with the gf’s S22 was enough to keep me as an Apple fanboy for the foreseeable future

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Two of Samsung fridges were busted even with 10-year warranty, with mine coming first before my uncle’s. I don’t have fridge anymore as my food is stored in my uncle’s new Samsung fridge. Also, he has a Samsung Smart TV, Tizen sucks anyway, he should get an Android TV instead.

And also, Samsung is already losing it’s mid-range segment to Chinese OEMs.

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2 points

Being an Apple fanboy is up to you, but I have to say that Apple and Samsung are not the only options. Android has many manufacturers with their own spin on things. Samsung’s spin happens to suck

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8 points

and you might think their TVs would be ok, but search for “Samsung TV vertical shadow” or some variant and find endless results for failed LED strips or power supplies. trash.

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4 points

Let’s not ignore that they are one of the conglomerates that are making living in Korea so shitty for a lot of people.

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So does that washing machine still work, or is that spider arm critical to all useful functionality? Anyways, one part getting way more corrosion than the rest is suspicious design.

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The spider arm doesn’t do much: it just attaches the washing drum to the drive spindle so that it can spin to wash clothes. If you’re using the “let your dirty clothes sit still in a heap while the machine makes loud noises caused by the broken remains of the arm whacking and grinding against each other” setting, you don’t need it at all!

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60 points

Majorly infuriating.

It’s not really your phone if it does things like this. This is Samsung’s phone you pay for their permission to carry for a few years.

True ownership means fully possessing something and deciding how it operates including what software it runs, what data that software can access, and when it can access it. I would not be surprised if those apps had some very invasive default permissions.

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There’s a difference between not having full ownership and not bothering to use it. There’s plenty of options from rooting to full custom ROMs, and as far as I know Samsung does nothing to prevent you using those, they just don’t do it for you / provide support and updates.

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8 points

My Canadian S10E has no way to unlock the bootloader.

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4 points

Yeah, you shouldn’t have to root your phone to own it though. This is just straight up asshole design, there are plenty of people out there who aren’t technically savvy who don’t know how to do this stuff. They shouldn’t be forced to circumvent the default software just to remove an app they don’t want in the first place.

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Last time I bothered researching, Google pixel was the only one that didn’t void the warranty when you unlock the bootloader.

I remember Samsung being especially locked down with hardware e-fuses that blew if you ran any software not signed by their key. You could never reset back to stock afterwards.

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60 points

I disabled my DNS block-list for 5 minutes to test something, and my Samsung TV used its newfound freedom to immediately go and automatically install the TikTok app from its app store. It no longer gets the privilege of an internet connection.

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Shouldn’t have ever connected it in the first place. I spent $30 on a Chromecast that gets plugged in and connected.

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That has to be an American-market thing, really.

My Samsung TV has never pulled this shit. It used to have free Internet access, now it’s behind a DNS blocker because it wants to do phone home a LOT, but even when I unblocked it to download an app I wanted, it didn’t do shit that it shouldn’t have.

It’s still likely the last Samsung TV I’ll ever own - I don’t like the app availability on Tizen much - but I just don’t see all this adware that everyone keeps talking about. Mine’s a 2019 model though, maybe it’s only newer ones?

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This was in Europe - 2019 model as well. Must have been around 2021 or so, when TikTok was just taking off.

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