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It makes sense. He’s actually been competent, which not many (certainly not I) quite expected, but the media hasn’t reported a lot of his successes, which have been unusually deployed and quite complex to begin with. People don’t understand it. Maybe they’ll vote for him anyway, but it’s not assured, somehow even with Trump on the other side again.

e.g.how he blocked the railway strike at Christmas to save “the economy” first and foremost at the workers expense, but then kept working afterwards to help get most if not all of their demands met (I’m not sure if they got any sick leave though). Right or wrong, in the past that would have been hailed as a “huge success”, but instead we barely heard about it.

Likewise with Gaza he has tried to toe the line - we technically have obligations to fulfill there, but does genocide change that, and if so what is the process by which to do that, and is he engaging in that, or doesn’t Israel have a veto anyway, so what else is he doing that we might want done?

We have depended upon our media so much, to tell us not just what happened but what it means and how to feel about it all. So with it being bought out now by billionaires… it is like our fourth branch of government has become as unreliable as Congress and the Supreme Court.

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I think the media is reporting Biden’s accomplishments accurately when they happen, however nobody is really interested. The news media (particularly on TV) thrives on controversy, conflict, and violence, even if they have to exaggerate. “If it bleeds, it leads”. Things working the way they ought to simply doesn’t drive attention.

I often joked during the 2020 election that Biden’s campaign should have been “Make Politics Boring Again”. Good governance shouldn’t make headlines. But there are some people who assume that if someone is out of the news, they must be irrelevant.

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There’s been a LOT of times someone has said, on lemmy, “man I wish Biden would just do x” only to get responses of “Biden started the process of doing x several years ago, here’s the progress that’s been made, here’s the timeline for completion.”

It’s not that people don’t care, it’s that people literally don’t know.

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Oh I do not mean to suggest that they make false statements, just that they have an enormous bias, well as you said, towards providing “focused” coverage in some areas but then virtually nothing else.

So now he is trying to make his case to the American people, and like I guess he is worried (title of the OP) that nobody will believe him, b/c if he did good stuff then surely they would have heard of it (except… that is not the case - he did the good stuff, but they did not hear about it, at least not from the common news media).

And even that is irrelevant in a large sense, b/c Trump is in the news daily lately - but like, somehow that is working for him!? This is where I sigh and wonder if we will even have so much as the farce of a democracy a couple years from now, b/c if that is our mantra - that whatever the news shows is “good”, while facts themselves are, if not “bad” then at least irrelevant? - then we deserve whatever we will have chosen for ourselves, at that time.

And yes, I know - “but they did…!” - and I am countering with “why didn’t we do…?”, like each individual state could implement some kind of ranked-choice voting? I don’t know if that would work for the Presidential election, but if it would help with the members that we send to Congress and the Senate, then while it would take some few years, we could really change things, in less than a decade. But instead, I guess we just… won’t?

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Elections aren’t about gaining voters, they’re about getting yours to the polls. Trump constantly in the media fires up his base. Biden’s base doesn’t even like him yet.

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Not just the media, but perhaps worse, unverified strangers on the Internet though social media. The biggest thing that pisses me off is every time I the lesser of two evils argument spouted of paired with Biden’s handing of something that 100% should fall in the domain of Congress to solve. So may things that historically have been attributed to the President were ultimately created and decided on by Congress and the public attributes way more power to the President than they actually have because of it.

If we want actual support to Gaza we need to push our congressional members to provide that support. Which is laughable because congress can’t even pass a bill that had bipartisan support because half of one floor bends knee to the will of a private citizen. Biden keeps having to overreach his office with executive orders and policies that aren’t backed by law and as such are highly transient and subject to constitutional review allowing them too be thrown out, as well as peace time commander-in-chief powers to do things like supply airdrops or back door old equipment sales to their other countries to affected groups.

The difference between Ukraine and Gaza is that unlike Ukraine, have does not have a unified Palestinian force that the US can safely supply arms to (HAMAS has actively proven that they are not the good guys) and that we’re legally obligated to supply arms to Israel, which we are not to Russia. Biden can only sit loudly at Israel stating that genocide is bad threaten that this could lead to a withdrawal of US support, but he can’t actually withdraw US support. Congress needs to provide a bill for him to sign that does that.

On a side note… I’m fairly convinced that a good chunk of the rhetoric spouted to not vote for Biden likely originated from foreign sources to plant the Idea in people’s minds and get them to repeat it everywhere because on the surface it feels right. The vote any vote not for Biden is a vote for Trump rhetoric probably exists for similar reasons, mostly to help reinforce the thought that both sides are the same because it’s quite easily proven not true and likely increases the odds that someone it’s used to convince to vote for Biden ultimately ends up either withholding their vote in protest or voting for someone else out of spite.

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Excellent points, truly.

Esp on congressional v presidential power/responsibility. I must admit im rather guilty of this, too. Its easy to hate on our cultures authoritarian tendencies that prevade in the stupidest fucking places, and yet i still consistently think, "wheres that marjuana legislation, Joe? Why arent you passing executive orders to prevent the intellectually challeneged baboon heading Texas from busing his responsibilities to my state? Or at least offer more executive support in handling the influx of ppl? Maybe something to give out more work visas, no?

Reading this tho reminds me, most all of that is legislative tasks. weve just all been brainwashed by years of executive encroachment to where the broken parts of our system behave extra broken.

Keep fighting the good fight. Your words hit hard.

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The best way to think of it is that the presidents power is roughly bellcurved relative to how much Congress is in alignment with them. If Congress is completely out of alignment with them they have very little power because congress can pass a vote on what he vetos or issue a stop on any executive action he takes. If Congress is slightly in alignment or out of alignment he becomes able to singlehandedly stop laws and executive actions aren’t likely to get overruled and will have up go under judicial review. If Congress is completely in alignment with him, he doesn’t need to use his veto powers or executive actions and if he does they likely won’t be contested anyway but we’re generally better off with Congress passing a law.

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If we all (very justifiably) believe that Trump would truly become a dictator if he wins in November, then it is clear that the president has the ability to wield tremendous power to radically remake our system.

Which means that Bidens failure to act on any given issue is a choice.

If Trump’s administration would radically reshape the country through breaking norms, then Biden could do the same, but for beneficial purposes. We should ask ourselves why he is prioritizing procedural norms over real improvements to Americans standards of living. Why do we accept that The Rules are more important than our lives?

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Point of order, we are not legally bound to sell weapons to anyone. The Leahy Law actually bans the sale of weapons to countries or organizations credibly accused of war crimes. The creator of the Leahy Law has publicly said Israel should have been cut off by that law. Former civil servants have said that Israel gets a special vetting process that requires several political appointees to agree Israel is problematic. In contrast to any other country getting a single civil servant.

We are in fact taking great pains to send them weapons illegally.

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We’re not bound to sell weapons but we’re bound to provide aid by a combination of Mutual Defense Assistance Agreement (1952) which I can’t find the text of from my phone… Need to wait till I’m near a computer to try again and Mutual Logistics Support Agreement (1991) which I linked elsewhere in the thread.

https://www.dsca.mil/programs/excess-defense-articles-eda Does explicitly allow the sale of arms to a list of nations from my understanding. This is a huge rabbit hole of laws and then exceptions to laws.

whether I personally agree any of this is right is a different story here

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Consider though what “unverified” means these days - the media circus is one of the three main sources that got Trump elected the last time (Hillary Clinton’s corruption, e.g. with the DNC collusion, and Ted Cruz were the other two main ones iirc), so it seems like they have lost the public’s trust?

Therefore if people turn to “unverified sources” - and who even is that really, like aren’t Hank/John Green, Innuendo Studies, Kurzgesagt, CPG Grey, and then on the left the comedians like John Olivier, Jon Stewart, even fucking Bill Maher, and ofc on the right are those like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, etc.? - can we really blame them, when the “verified” sources ARE lying to us? And keep in mind that people like Donald Trump, Mitch McConnel, Lindsey Graham, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Bohbert, etc. are among the “verified” ones, yes? They are “verified” by virtue of having the seal of approval by authority.

Maybe you mean places like the CDC, FDA, FBI, etc., and while I whole-heartedly agree, many others do not agree. (Also, Republicans like Trump are constantly ordering them to say or not say some things, like removing all words “Global Warming” or “Climate Change” from the official documents, and Yellowstone National Park was even forbidden to collect temperature data any longer - plus look into why doing taxes sucks, and why the post office sucks, it all becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when these organizations are targeted for destruction and then they get to cite how “unreliable” they are later, as if one action had nothing whatsoever to do with the direct consequences of it.) Meanwhile, in authoritarian communist China and Russia, the “verified” sources could be among the least trustworthy of them all? Now, the USA is not that… we have our own whole other thing going on here, but in both cases people turn to “unverified” sources for the same reason, and imho it is not the presence of the unverified sources that should concern us nearly so much as the absence of good information from verified ones - by which I mostly mean news media, but in some highly specific cases government agencies too, when they are forced to comply by a Congressional order despite the facts, possibly remaining under attack for YEARS until the director is replaced by someone who will be more easily controlled.

Also, of COURSE a lot of this comes from outside sources - I thought this was verified at some point - but also it would be a huge missed opportunity for that particular foreign not to take advantage of that opportunity, and they definitely are not that stupid. Also we do it ourselves to other nations all the time. Water is wet, stones are hard, h8rs gonna h8 and cheaters gonna cheat - at some point I don’t even blame them anymore - or rather I at least cease to be surprised - and start blaming ourselves more for falling for such cheap tricks, over & over again! It is hard to get out of an abusive relationship, I get that, but if we need to do it then we just need to get it done, somehow! Or else we will fall, as a nation - and ngl that has a much better chance of happening now than it did back when Trump ran the first time.

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I was mostly using unverified in lacking sources and people not going through and verifying their sources before just blindly believing them. Which seems to happen a lot.

People see Biden did something and don’t look into why Biden did the thing he did then start calling him every because he did the thing he did without understanding why he did it. It’s a vicious circular loop that I’ve seen with pretty much every president we’ve had since I can remember.

Biden seems to be pretty conscious about remaining within the bounds of law so there’s a good chance there’s generally some obscure treaty or other random grouping of legal documents that when all bundled together cause the reaction we see. I like to look up what those are because I find it interesting but I can guarantee the bulk of people in this thread do not.

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Biden’s handing of something that 100% should fall in the domain of Congress to solve. So may things that historically have been attributed to the President were ultimately created and decided on by Congress and the public attributes way more power to the President than they actually have because of it.

But the public is right to do this, particularly regarding international wars like Ukraine and Gaza. The United States has not declared war via Congress since 1942. Yet clearly we have fought plenty of wars since then solely under the command and authorization of the presidency alone. Which means there is 80+ years of precedence of creating an imperial presidency that authorizes Biden to act against both Russia and Israel. He is choosing not to avail himself of the precedent. And genocide is the result.

we’re legally obligated to supply arms to Israel,

Israel is legally obligated not to engage in collective punishment, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. Yet, they are doing those acts anyway. The Constitution requires Congress to declare war. Yet Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, the War on Terror, Libya, Syria, and Ukraine/Gaza demonstrate that is apparently an illusory Constitutional requirement. Laws are meaningless if there is no enforcement mechanism.

I’m fairly convinced that a good chunk of the rhetoric spouted to not vote for Biden likely originated from foreign sources to plant the Idea in people’s minds

This is undoubtedly true. And it is a sad reflection of the weakness of our system, our historical actions, and the intellectual capabilities of our citizenry that it is as highly effective as it is. Trump will destroy The West if he is elected in November. And plenty of Americans don’t have a problem with that because they don’t understand what it means. Which is a consequence of neoliberal privatization and deregulation of all social programs, including public education.

As Malcolm X said, this is Chickens Coming Home to Roost. And, unfortunately for us who live in the United States today, an innumerable number of Chickens are coming home to roost in our very near future. I wish I had been born in Denmark or Norway - at least their social democratic safety nets would allow my community to thrive as the world burns around us

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I wish I had been born in Denmark or Norway - at least their social democratic safety nets would allow my community to thrive as the world burns around us

I feel this in my soul.

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They did get nominal sick leave. 3 days I think, which is better than the 0 they had previously, but still effectively useless.

edit FOUR sick days and the ability to convert 3 PTO days to sick days:

https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid

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I’ll bite, what are the obligations we have towards them?

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I do not know the specifics, but some kind of a contract - “provide for the defense against attack” and such.

Ofc you could argue that genocide could invalidate that contract, though much like the outright war crimes happening in Ukraine, you would have to prove that, to a governing body (and again, doesn’t Israel have a veto power there?). Also Biden then loses any negotiation leverage he had to employ the carrot rather than the stick.

Also, there is whatever reason (cough oil cough) that we made the contract in the first place. If gas prices suddenly spike through the roof, Americans will complain bitterly and LOUDLY, and place ALL of the blame onto Biden, with NONE of it going to Israel.

Also, none of this matters really, b/c the job of President entails enforcing the contracts, not making up new ones - that is the job of Congress, who despite the fact that the 2024 federal budget started last October (look it up) STILL has not managed to pass the budget for THIS YEAR, 2024. We are nearly halfway through the ENTIRE YEAR - five months and 2 & 1/2 weeks behind us already - and despite ousting McCarthy and replacing him with Johnson, Congress is still gridlocked. Especially on this matter. And on Ukraine. And on the border. And on literally everything else.

People forget: but it is the job of Congress, not the President, to make funding decisions, like what monies go to what other country - otherwise he is bound to simply enforce whatever contracts were PREVIOUSLY signed, and there is only so much he can do to change that without their approval. This is what democracy looks like: to enforce the will of the people, who unfortunately are a divided nation right now, particularly on this matter where half the nation wants to send aid to Hamas, while the other half wants to send further aid (as in MOAR weapons) instead to Israel.

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Ofc you could argue that genocide could invalidate that contract, though much like the outright war crimes happening in Ukraine, you would have to prove that, to a governing body (and again, doesn’t Israel have a veto power there?)

The United States is the global hegemon. We are not bound by any agreement. And, inevitably, our lawyers can find ways for us to act however we want in such a way that it does not technically violate any agreement we are a party to. No one can bind us against our will.

And no, Israel does not have “veto power” before any international body. Certainly not at the UN or WTO

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So you don’t know anything about it and decided to just make up your own story?

Come on man

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This is my take as well… if you get a hundred hugs and one slap, you’re gonna remember the slap. And selling out the rail workers was one huge fucking slap.

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Oh it definitely seemed like a slap at the time… but then as another commenter pointed out here, he got them like everything that they asked for (https://lemmy.world/comment/8562627 => https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid). Okay so it took 4-5 months more than was hoped, and in the end they did not get the “7 sick days” that e.g. Bernie Sanders wrote a letter in support of but rather 4 sick days + the ability to convert 3 PTO days into sick ones (which in some sense is better in terms of being more flexible, like if you needed a doctor’s note or something, though obviously is still worse than like 7 sick days plus additional PTO days beyond that).

So my point is that we should be notified of both the successes and the failures, but our biased media seems to be only highlighting the latter, while virtually ignoring the former altogether. That leaves the general American public - who have jobs irl so do not have time to invest MANY hours hunting and rooting out proper information, both pro and con, on every single issue - unprepared to make a fully-informed decision.

So in retrospect… was it a slap & a “selling out” then? He stuck with them until it got done, just as he promised he would. And it did ultimately get done. He did not “abandon” them, he just did it differently. My words here are not a huge ringing endorsement in support of him, but neither are they biased anywhere nearly to the degree that the media is showing?

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I wonder why are you leaving out the part where the rail workers ended up getting almost everything they wanted in the following weeks?

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how can anyone that age be competent

not to be mean but the mind does age it does not magically stop because your name is Biden he has reached that age

he told those rail workers they could not strike or they would lose retirement and shit

he threatened them with their livelihoods fuck that old crony he promised to raise the minimum wage and fight for us workers

he hasn’t quite the opposite

Silent Genocide Joe and Prosecutor Kamala Harris are not America’s saviors neither is Trump

just older people refusing to let a younger generation take the reins while cashing checks from the corporations same as Trump and making sure the younger people are disenfranchised enough to not to take a stand

fucking sick either candidate get any support with the suffering and misery they have wrought

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Age: Yup, mostly.

On the bright side, neither President would likely actually do much of anything personally, but rather act as a prop for whatever team they choose to actually accomplish things behind the scenes.

And while I do worry about Biden’s age, I also worry about Trump’s too. What choices are we being offered there even? That ship has already sailed.

To be fair to Biden, he did keep his promise to those railway workers, to stay with them to negotiate better terms. They lost the urgency to have it all done prior to the holiday season, but they gained his involvement and that might even have worked out better for them than if they had tried it alone? But I truly don’t know the details there, b/c while the news media splashed it up every single day when it was inflationary, they dropped it like a rock when he quietly got stuff done in the background.

He has delivered on at least some of his promises to workers. He needs to do more ofc, but also, he has been working towards that goal - e.g. it was REALLY, SUPER, EXTREMELY difficult to have lowered gas prices, and the ethics of how it eventually got done are even more than a little shady but… he managed it? Not everyone drives a car ofc, but both those who need one to get to work and those who buy things at stores should be highly grateful to him, but instead they just want more.

As they should - we all NEED more. And if elected again, he will work towards that, just as he has in the last four years. Though most of the lack of progress is due to Congressional bickering and in-fighting - did you know that the fiscal year for 2024 began back in fucking OCTOBER!? We are now in month number fucking SIX, almost ready to begin number seven, and we STILL do not have a budget for THIS YEAR!!! That is not the job of the President, that is solely on the feet of people like Matt Gaetz and Kevin McCarthy and now Mike Johnson. Speaking of, Trump will do even less for the working-man - he will CLAIM to do more, but he will ACTUALLY do less, just as he did before too, which is the largest part of what got us into this mess in the first place - e.g. with supply lines disrupted b/c of so very many truckers who flat-out died from COVID.

It helps to read between the lines: a President CANNOT simply “raise the minimum wage” - that’s not within their job capabilities - he can only be receptive to and even outright PUSH Congress to do that. Which he sort has done but… see above.

Silent Genocide Joe and Prosecutor Kamala Harris are not America’s saviors neither is Trump

Abso-fucking-lutely. But we still have a choice what to do about it. Though one thing I agree with: Biden and Harris are NOT “the same” as Trump. Bad yes, but nowhere close to equally so. And “support” means different things depending on the context: imagine an abused spouse needing to divorce and get away - remaining there vs. leaving are both “bad” options, but one will result in a much better outcome, eventually, while the other may be suicide. It is not that they “want” to, they HAVE to, b/c the alternative is SO MUCH worse off. I feel your pain - I abso-fucking-lutely share it, but in a way, I suppose I “support” Biden too, as the lesser of two evils. (And even there, my main reservation is his advanced age, which as I mentioned earlier, what choice are we even being offered there at all, when his opponent is even older than him!?)

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His opponent isn’t older than him. Trump is 4 whole years younger.

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I can’t disagree with the age argument, these dinosaurs need to step aside and let the world change.

I do want to know what exactly Biden has genocided. The two groups in this world who are driving genocides are Putin’s and Netanyahu’s regimes. Biden has no control over them, and the only group that could enact a foreign policy to do anything here in the US is Congress. So if anyone is complicit in that, it’s our “Currently Genocidal by Inaction Congress.”

I get it though, doesn’t roll as nicely off the tongue.

[Edit: a poster below pointed out that my joke was bad and I should feel bad. ]

Camilla was a poor choice at vp no matter how you swing it given the current progressive opinion on police.

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Biden has no control

He could stop sending a new shipment of the very weapons used to commit genocide with every day and a half.

It might not stop it immediately, but it would at least make it more difficult for Netanyahu’s fascist apartheid regime to keep blowing the shit out of innocent civilians if they have to look elsewhere for the bombs to do so with.

Plus, there’s hardly any way to be more clearly an accomplice to war crimes than insisting on sending weapons to be used to commit war crimes regardless of congressional approval.

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Hertsog’s regimes.

Who on Earth are you talking about?

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I can’t disagree with the age argument, these dinosaurs need to step aside and let the world change.

There’s a whale of a lot of wisdom and experience younger, less experienced folks can learn from those “dinosaurs”.

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That might work if it weren’t for the fact that Biden bypassed congress twice to sell Israel weapons.

Until he completely stops sending them weapons and vetoing UN resolutions then he is just as guilty as the people dropping the bombs

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I used to think like that, sorta.

Read Kegan & Lahey’s “Immunity to Change” book, on people’s unconscious-mind’s mechanism for fighting-off growing-up.

Then let it percolate in your mind for a few decades, while you watch humankind’s process.

I’d now make a law requiring that the top people be Kegan5 unconscious-mind-development ( he calls 3, 4, & 5 something like “socially-based sentience”, rooted in needing to feel liked, “self-authoring” mind, which I call Bulling-BOSS mode, it’s an obnoxious mode male-culture values because it’s so “alpha”.

Youtube’s Wranglerstar & Veritasium are both poster-people for it, 1 in working-class Kegan4 the other in middle/upper-middle-class Kegan4, & both displaying Kegan4’s obnoxiousness.

I spent most of my adult life in it, and wish I could just retroactively slice most of my life from Universe.

“systems-of-systems” mode is Kegan5. )

it’s consistent that if you field a Kegan3 person to be your negotiation-representative, and the other side fields a Kegan4, you’re run-over.

If you field a Kegan5 & they field a Kegan4, you’re run-over.

IF they field a Kegan4, THEN you need equal/opposite bullying, in order that the zero-sum-game not beat your side to shit.

However, IF they have the uprightness to field a Kegan5 & you can too, THEN Win-Win becomes possible.

Young-adults, Kegan3’s ( the Kegan3 stage can continue for the entire rest of a person’s life, from post-adolescence to 100yo or more, but it is mentally/psychically a young-adult stage ), cannot accept that evil is real, the way someone mentally-older can.


Kegan3’s are in the absorbing experience into their unconscious-mind, stage.

Kegan4’s are in the pushing meaning out of their unconscious, “authoring” themselves through that unconscious-pushing-out process stage.

Kegan5’s are in the this is true for them, that is true for these other people, the-other is true for me, and this is how it all fits together stage.

I’d not permit any naive Kegan3’s to rule any major operation, nor permit any zero-sum-game-“validity” Kegan4’s to rule anything important.

That book gives people the means of converting fighting-off-growing-up to actually-successfully-growing-up, and so it is worth many life-years or life-decades, to many.


Nobody in the whole world has any reason to accept that my values have any validity in them, though, that is true.

All who hold that there is no understanding which should be prerequisite to authority, well they all outnumber me, don’t they?

shrug

This I’ve found tests to be true, however.


( bonus point:

it has been published that the DreamTeam formation is a team-of-7, with 2 who match the Kegan5 mental-development, 2 who match the Kegan4 mental-development, & 3 who match the Kegan3 mental-development.

The Kegan4’s bursting with ideas, but not understanding all the systems-of-systems gotchas, means the team is more likely to be able to innovate,

the Kegan5’s, if they can do it without demolishing the Kegan4’s morale, can ask questions to corner the Kegan4’s into considering all sorts of things they hadn’t, so they prevent lots of stupid mistakes,

& the Kegan3’s are the “glue” which holds the team coherent & harmonious.

I’m mixing multiple sources together, but they really were identifying the same thing, only each was doing-so without some of the other pieces.

New Scientist had an article on The Dream Team, years ago, Chris McGoff’s book “The Primes” is part of it, the Kegan & Lahey book is part of it, some HBR stuff as well, perhaps some stuff from the managers-of-programmers books, what’s her name, Roth? can’t remember…

fit it together, though, and it fits properly: there is a balance which produces working momentum, instead of institutional-mentality, and that working momentum is based on the substance of the minds of the people in the team, and ignoring the unconscious-mind-development stage … is ignoring the BIG part of each person’s iceberg.

: )

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4 points

Sir, this is a Wendy’s.

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My dude

Too many drugs

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I’d be furious too, having such incompetent, out-of-touch advisors. This article alludes to it but others have gone more in-depth: Biden’s advisors keep telling him the economy is great, the problem is messaging: the American people just haven’t heard how great it is. Telling people struggling to pay their bills every month that they’re better off than they were four years ago isn’t messaging, it’s gaslighting. His advisors should be telling him the truth, that the economy is only good on paper, that while the “haves” are living large the “have nots” are not only struggling, their ranks are quickly growing. Don’t get me wrong, anyone who votes for Trump because they think he’ll do better at economic issues is a moron, but history shows that a lot of people are going to go this route come November at the current pace of things. And Biden’s advisors are just as moronic if they don’t understand this.

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👆👆👆👆👆

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10 points

This guy thinks.

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I thought you were going to say that history shows a lot of people are morons.

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I mean, history does show this too.

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I would imagine that the people who voted for Trump were angry.

Some of that angry is genuine (Washington only represents the rich, lack of social mobility, wealth inequality, etc.) Here comes someone who doesn’t talk like a politician, promises action that resonates with their anger (punish China for taking manufacturing jobs, force companies to operate in America, rip up NAFTA, put America first economically, etc.) Trump is extremely charismatic. Voting for Trump becomes a political action to send a message to everyone. A big ol’ fuck you message.

Then are those who voted for Trump because they saw in Trump the same racist, xenophobic, anti-LGBTQ, and hate that they have.

After four years of nothing except chaos and hate filled policies. People wanted go back to the status quo of government not being in chaos and being run competently. What people didn’t want was return to economic status quo.

While Biden’s government has be run competently and hasn’t been a four years of a soap opera drama. The Democrats have mostly upheld the economic status quo. Any changes made to the status quo will arguably take time to manifest. It’s hard to be optimistic that the situation will get better when we’re going through a cost of living crisis, home ownership is dead, social mobility will never happen, etc. People expected changes to happen. Those changes ain’t happening now. If anything people have gotten angrier.

I know Lemmy isn’t a major bellwether of the internet. We’re outliers. However being the outliers means we can be signs of things to come. Post anything about the rich and there will be comments about guillotines. If the more radical people are saying that, chances are more moderate people are thinking it.

People are once again in the position of do we vote for the candidate who mostly upholds the status quo while making changes that takes time to feel or the candidate is a big, giant fuck you to the Democrats and knows how people to play on people’s anger.

If the Democrats had did massive, radical change there’s a chance the situation would be different. Messaging isn’t going to fix this. People’s feelings do not care about facts.

Telling me facts about wages are going up, inflation is going down, etc. Doesn’t mean diddly squat when I feel like I will never retire, own a home, take vacations, etc.

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Telling me facts[…]Doesn’t mean diddly squat when I feel like

No wonder he’s frustrated.

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I know I read somewhere that the GOP gets a boost during economic downturns because they are perceived as willing to make cuts required to fix things.

Yes I am well aware, person angrily typing a reply, that the perception isn’t accurate.

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Biden’s advisors keep telling him the economy is great, the problem is messaging

That’s literally fucking true though, all the data proves it, surveys even show that individuals consider their own circumstances to be better than in previous years but they assume they’re the exception and that the economy is shit.

No wonder he’s frustrated.

the economy is only good on paper

The economy is literally just paper.

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The economy is literally just paper.

People’s ability to buy bread is not just a paper problem. Prices have gone up across the board, out of step with earnings, housing is beyond unaffordable to the point that multiple generations are having to accept that they will never own a home. Student debt has been through the roof for years, and now credit card debt is soaring.This economy is not even close to healthy for the median American.

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All of that is quantifiable on paper.

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Really all the data proves it? What is the relationship between minimum wage and average rental cost now and four years ago?

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Considering it’s him or “bloodbath for the country” McGee, I think we are all angry and anxious about it.

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Getting real tired of choosing between bad and worse, and knowing full well if I don’t support bad I’ll get stuck with worse because of the duopoly.

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Outside of Gaza, I think Biden has done a surprisingly good job. A lot of shit landed on his plate and he’s dealt with it better than most presidents would have.

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And while he may not be as progressive as many progressives would like him to be, I feel he’s been more progressive than most ever expected him to be…which is pleasantly surprising, since it’s not a course he had to take for political reasons.

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If people really followed Biden’s attempts to rein in Bibi, they would have a LOT more appreciation of his efforts too. Netanyahu is a madman yet Israel still needs protection.

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I still think that counts as “less bad,” not “good,” considering pretty much all presidents are absolutely bad.

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I agree with you, and I do believe he is working behind the scenes to mitigate the Palestinian genocide.

Unfortunately, outside of Gaza is like saying, outside of the Holocaust. It’s a huge issue.

If my vote counted, I’d vote for him, but I’m calling him genocide Joe for posterity.

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It’s possible to support 3rd parties in the US. Just not for the 2024 presidential case. If you really want to support them, unfortunately you will have to do more than just appear at the ballot box.

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3rd parties in the US are impossible while we still have first past the post voting. One party has consistently been the one to support & pass RCV, while the other has consistently repealed & banned it. Guess which is which?

If you want 3rd parties to be a viable option, you need to vote Democrats. And more on the ground activism, I agree with you there

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I would be too, seeing how effective the anti-intelligence efforts on the American public by the Republicans were.

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were are

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Thanks to the electoral college system that remains in place: Biden won 2020 narrowly. Far more narrowly for anyone to be happy or comfortable, least of all Biden.

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Thats ridiculous given that something like 8,000,000 more people voted for him but what do I know?

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Thats ridiculous given that something like 8,000,000 more people voted for him

Yea, the exiatance of the electoral college is pretty ridiculous.

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About the electoral college?

Popular vote does not and did not elect Biden. The margins of a select few districts have the deciding weight for the office of the presidency.

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I’m aware of that hence my comment about how crazy it is that someone who got 8 million more votes barely won.

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The popular vote is a meaningless statistic when it’s not how you win the election.

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