I don’t know man, I’m all for police oversight, but this isn’t a great example. This dude is running around a neighbourhood with a gun. Who says he doesn’t go into one of those houses and some innocent person gets hurt.
The cop yelled at him to drop the gun and stop running, he didn’t.
The part of them trying to cover it up after is shitty, but the action itself I can’t really take the criminal’s side. Again, image that’s my neighbour with my kids playing in the area, I don’t want some lunatic running around with a gun.
I realise what sub I’m in, and this isn’t a popular opinion and that’s fine. We need police reform, but this isn’t a good example.
When people jump on everything with the same fervor it weakens your case because people start tuning you out.
You can’t go by what if. I’m so tired of people defending their stance because of whataboutism. It’s a shitty argument. Dude was literally running for his life. I will be honest, I don’t know the full extent of the situation yet, but I do agree with you that people shouldn’t just jump on the bandwagon just because a cop shot someone. But just looking at the video, I don’t see why this kid was shot. Did the kid shoot at the officer? Did the kid threaten the officer’s life? Those are the questions I don’t know.
Should I fear for my life just because I am carrying a gun? I live in an open carry state. I don’t carry anymore, but I see plenty of people walking around with a weapon. my first thought isn’t that the person is a criminal just because they carry and I really don’t have much thought about it at all.
My views on this are still neutral until I know more information, but please don’t go on about whataboutism.
“We don’t have enough information” is a perfectly valid stance to take when you lack information.
The guy that got shot was part of a car chase that switched to a foot chase after the cars tire blew out. The guy didn’t just walk down the road with a gun. In the video you can also see the guy making a strange movement with the gun just before the cop shot. It most likely was to throw the gun away but the cop couldn’t have known that. And given the overall circumstances shooting at this point seems reasonable.
But the cop is still a piece of shit that shouldn’t have been a cop by this point anymore. He is a cop since 2018 and has been involved in now 5 shootings (far higher than the average). And he was part of the badge bending scandal. Where cops bent the tips of their badge to mark fatal shootings. Any cop who does that, shouldn’t be a cop.
Luckily the guy survived, unfortunately the cop will stay a cop.
The pig lied for a reason. Why are you justifying the execution and cover-up?
Not everything is black and white. There’s nuance to every situation, and this user brings up good points
Ok, but he still justified the attempted execution and cover-up…I don’t see how that is acceptable‽
He pretty clearly calls out that he’s not justifying the execution and cover up.
“Somebody could potentially have been in danger later” doesn’t justify murder.
Actually, the Fleeing Felon rule explicitly does allow for deadly force in this case.
I dunno. Brandishing is a misdemeanor in CA and it doesn’t sound like there was any probable cause to believe that the guy posed a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others.
Seems like shooting someone in the back as they run away while discarding their weapon is questionable at best.
This is an interesting ethical dilemma which I don’t know if there’s a clear cut answer. It’s a variation of the trolley problem (sort of). I think it depends a lot on the risk assessment being made. I don’t know the details of this particular case, but I can think of plenty of examples where a potential future danger should be limited by direct action. I’m happy to provide examples if you’re interested in exploring this thought further. I don’t know that I have a simple yes/no answer to this dilemma (also why I never became a cop).
Doesn’ matter, unless you have a reasonable belief that they will use that weapon unlawfully simply possessing it is nothing but an extra charge and you cannot shoot a fleeing suspect unless you have ras to believe that they are dangerous and that suspicion cannot be generalized and inarticulate.
So much this. If we aren’t going to restrict possession of firearms in any way then we can’t use that as a basis for intent. Just replace, “had a gun”, with literally any other constitutionally protected right and this argument falls flat on its face.
“He was using words, we will never know if he was about to run into a theater and yell ‘fire’…”
In America, you are legally allowed to have a gun.
There’s no real reason to think this guy was a criminal.
Yes, you can have a gun, but holding it opening in front of an officer is asking for trouble.
They chased a traffic stop. This wasn’t some crazed murderer on the run. And then the guy tried to comply with the order. He tried to drop his gun. But the officer shot him when he tried to.
The officer has also been involved in 4 other shootings.
So much for “most officers never even pull their gun…”
The media did a great job brainwashing everyone, most of the time they only show cops doing something bad, when the police do something, they just ignore it, even if they do cover it, the majority of people just don’t give a fuck. I’ve run into both bad cops and good cops, not every cop is the same, but people straight up refuse to acknowledge that. They don’t know that if all cops are actually bad, people would riot and fight back everywhere instead of what we have now.
So? When situations like this occur in Australia our police will taze first. (unless you’re indigenous or POC…).
The police have other effective methods of stopping a violent person from running into other houses.
If the suspect raises the stakes to endangering life, half measures don’t cut it.
You have a gun out in front of an officer, I am not surprised when tensions rise and someone gets shot.
Wasn’t it just last week some cop in NSW gunned someone down for looking at him crossways?
Edit: my bad, it was 2 years ago that 4 cops went on a hunt and shot a guy in his own yard for wearing a hoodie. 2 days before Christmas. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-19/nsw-police-brad-balzan-inquest-st-marys/103600190
I’m all for devils advocate and hearing all sides and all but…
Coleman has Been Involved in Four Other Shootings, was Previously Implicated in Fatal Shooting Scandal
If there’s a scent of shit everywhere you go, at some point you might want to check your shoes.
“Coleman was implicated in court testimony in 2022 for participating in the Vallejo police badge bending scandal, where officers bent the tips of their badges to mark fatal shootings. Coleman testified his badge was bent against his will, but a department superior testified that he was more involved than he said and may have even helped spread the practice to other officers.”
You make some good points in general, but Coleman seems to be everything a cop should not be…
Slightly clickbait: Bodycam battery died
“Just as Coleman fired twice, another gun appeared to fly from Rogers’ hand into a front yard.” Surely the cop had no reason to shoot…
I 100% agree. The victim was running away, so there was no reason to shoot.
How come all the pro-gun fuckstains that claim “guns keep police honest” are never in these threads saying “the kid should have opened fire on the cop” or “people in nearby houses should have threatened the cop with a gun”?
But nope, they just stick to threads about gun control and peddle the same rhetoric that crystal gripping hippies have used for decades. “My cancer-preventing crystals didn’t prevent your cancer? Damn, imagine how much cancer you would have had without the crystals. You basically owe me your life. You better buy more.”
If it makes it any better I wish people wouldve gunned down the cop, but im also a mildly insane socialst redneck. But hey some of us do want to burn down the local police station, we are just few and far between.
I don’t care if you burn down police stations, figuratively or literally. I’m just sick to fucking death of pro-gun people seeking out vulnerable minorities and convincing them that buying a gun is anything other than a donation to the Republican party.
Dude I was responding to the point of “Why dont pro-gun people advocate shooting cops” not some point about how buying firearms is unethical. As for that point, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Shopping at Walmart probably contributes just as much if not more to the republicans than buying a 1911 or an AR-15. Dont know if ya noticed but we’ve got a bit of a Nazi problem again, and frankly even if we keep the republicans out of office they will probably cause problems for minorities.
As for the claim that folks like myself are preying on minorities, I am of the general opinion that adults have the ability to tell if they think they may need a firearm or not. One of my best friends is trans and a tad bit too suicidal to trust himself with one, one of my other friends has at least two shotguns in his closet. I have no guns cause Ronald Reagan started the trend of shitty guns laws here in California and I am also a broke motherfucker.
this is just murder
What are you talking about?
He was running away with a gun. The cop literally said “drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun or I’ll shoot you.”
It’s sad how people like you think people should be allowed to behave like this without getting shot.
That cop did his duty and I support him wholeheartedly. Most of the people on these forums need a reality check, because whatever is upvoted is not always correct.
Cops aren’t allowed to perform summary executions. It doesn’t matter what the cop demanded he do. He’s not allowed to execute people for disobedience.
That wasn’t a summary execution, though.
Stop replacing reality with your fantasies if you want to be taken seriously by rational people.
It’s sad how people like you think people should be allowed to behave like this without getting shot.
Jesus fucking Christ. You do not belong in society.
He did drop his gun. You can see it in the video, he yeeted that fuckin thing. There is NO REASON to shoot someone in the back, because if their back is towards you, they are not a threat to you. The only people who shoot other people in the back are fucking cowards, you fucking coward.
The cop literally said “drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun or I’ll shoot you.”
It’s sad how people like you think people should be allowed to behave like this without getting shot.
