110 points

It was ever thus:

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

Winston Churchill

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lol it’s “boots,” but I like pants better. Makes the truth seem so much cooler ‘cause it was fuuuuuuuuuckin

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See, even quotes with errors in them get upvoted before someone can come along and correct them :)

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Ah, so one of those clever case-in-point lemmy comments. Very clever. Your plan was masterful

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Especially if you are using the word “pants” the way that Churchill would have.

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7 points

I don’t dare to ask why your truth has been naked before…

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11 points

Because the truth fucks, homie.

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3 points

“The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head.” – Terry Pratchett

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68 points

And trust me, these generated images are getting scarily good.

I have to agree, I would not be able to spot a single one of them as fake. They look really convincingly authentic IMO.

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Stalin famously ordered people he had killed erased from photos.

Imagine what current and future autocratic regimes will be able to achieve when they want to rewrite their histories.

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Stalin famously ordered people he had killed erased from photos.

This checks out, here’s an article about it: https://www.history.com/news/josef-stalin-great-purge-photo-retouching

So why are you downvoted? Maybe because your view is too optimistic? And the problem isn’t only with autocratic regimes. But much more general.
How do we validate anything, when everything can be easily faked?

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Probably just because some people really like Stalin, and have become convinced his accounts are the truthful ones and everyone else lies about him.

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So why are you downvoted?

lemmygrad dot ml

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9 points

With AI video also getting increasingly impressive and believable, I worry that we will soon live in a world where you could have actual video evidence of a murder, and that evidence being dismissed or cast into doubt because of how easy, or supposedly how easy it would be to fake.

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8 points

“Photoshopping” something bad existed for a long time at this point.AI generated images doesn’t really change anything other then the entire photo being fake instead of just a small section.

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Digital image editing has been really good for this kind of stuff for quite a while. Now it’s even easier with content aware fill.

Unless you’re the PR manager for the British Royal family. Then you somehow lack the basic skills to make convincing edits.

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6 points

Wikipedia page on the dude: Nikolai Yezhov

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5 points

Like 1984.

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I can Imagine such regimes novadays to develop some sort of cryptographic photo attestation, so any photo not signed by them is going to be shown as untrusted, regardless if it’s fake or not. And all the code from processor to camera app would need to be approved by their servers in order to get a sign.

Oh wait! Our great friends at Adobe, Intel, Google and Microsoft are already working on just that: https://c2pa.org/

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It won’t help for uncles on Facebook spreading lies.

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Honestly, it looks like the picture on the left is fake, like the guy was inserted into it. Just look at his outline, compared with the rest of the background.

(I’m no Stalin fan, just commenting on the picture itself.)

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the cat is out of the bag. every nation and company is racing to invent the most advanced AI ever. and we are entering times when negative impact of AI outweighs the positive use of it.

I am really feeling uneasy about the uncertain times ahead of us.

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I used to be excited about it, especially the image generation AI.

I believe that the internet has already lost a lot of authenticity in general. The amount of misinformation boomers and gen X lap up on their socials is unreal.

Having advanced image/video AI that would force people to call everything into question, to double check and to fact check sounded good. Except, people aren’t fact checking.

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The article opens:

When I first started colorizing photos back in 2015, some of the reactions I got were, well, pretty intense. I remember people sending me these long, passionate emails, accusing me of falsifying and manipulating history.

So this is hardly an AI-specific issue. It’s always been something to be on guard for. As others in this thread have pointed out, Stalin was airbrushing out political rivals from photos back in the 30s. Heck damnatio memoriae goes back as far as history itself does. Ancient Pharoahs would have the names of their predecessors chiseled off of monuments so they could “claim” them as their own work.

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I mean, the ability to churn out maybe amounts of these fake photos with no effort on the part of the user, causing them to pollute real Internet searches (also now “augmented” by MLB themselves) is definitely AI specific.

Also, colorizing photos is not the same thing as making fake ones.

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The internet has never been a reliable source of information. The only thing that changes is how safe you feel about it. When the internet first began it was mysterious and scary, then at some point people felt safe, now we go back to scary.

People should not feel safe on the internet. It is inherently unsafe.

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9 points

Is there a non zero chance Nero was slandered by political opponents? Remember reading that on one of those old “secret history” type books.

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Yes. In general most of what we think we know about the emperors in terms of anecdotes are suspect relative to positive or negative biases in sources.

It’d be kind of like history fans in 4024 talking about George Washington and cherry trees.

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We’ll now need AIs to spot AI fakes. AI wins!

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The problem is that it’s a constant war between fake generators and fake detection algorithms. Sort of a digital version of bacteria out-evolving antibiotics.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/27/18715235/deepfake-detection-ai-algorithms-accuracy-will-they-ever-work

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And for a reasonable price, the AI corporations will sell you the chance to survive in the world they created for you.

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All we really need is some black hat ai developers or power users to make enough compromising and hard to detect deep fakes of Congress people in the US and all of this Gen AI will be banned so fast. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet.

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And generation is going to win eventually.

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How about a block-chain verification plan?

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Do you think Facebook or Twitter would go for that? I doubt it. Especially Twitter.

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Check out Adobe’s Content Authentication Initiative. It won’t prevent those images but it will allow you to verify their source, which in this case should not authenticate.

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