Hello P.D users.

I’m sure the recent news of lemmy.world’s removal of piracy communities has not escaped the attention of many of you. For those who have not heard, here is their announcement on the matter.

Now, being as transparent as possible, this is not a subject that the admin team of P.D have discussed in great detail up until this point. We have yet to create an explicit rule stating that piracy related content is forbidden on this instance, and doing so is not something any of us wish to do.

With that being said, this topic requires more deliberation and consideration. There is more complexity to this issue than taking a stance for, against, or tolerant of piracy. There are legal considerations. And the truth is that we are not 100% sure on what the legal implications are for allowing piracy related content to exist on this instance, either directly on our communities or indirectly via federation.

One thing that must be considered when looking into the legalities is jurisdiction. I believe being part of a larger federation complicates this more than a centralised service, but P.D must at a minimum be considerate of the laws of the country its server(s) is hosted in, and the laws of the country the person responsible for the instance resides in.

For those who don’t know, this instance is administrated by a reasonably large team of volunteers, but is hosted and ultimately provided by only one: snowe. There is no legal entity behind P.D other than his person, and this means that any ramifications of this subject ultimately fall on his shoulders.

After an initial discussion between us, it is clear that some professional legal advice is required. Snowe is intending to seek formal legal advice. Up until that point, we cannot say what the official P.D stance will be on this topic long term.

What I can say, is that nobody in this administrative team desires to impose any restrictions on users of this instance that overreach and limit discussion unnecessarily. So long as content here is not dangerous, hurtful or offensive, we have no wish to filter it out on an instance level. Communities can impose their own rules, for the most part.

You can expect a further update on this topic in the future, once we have a better understanding ourselves, and we will keep this topic as transparent as we possibly can. Until then, in relation to this matter, we do not currently intend to defederate from any instances or ban any communities that discuss piracy. Linking to websites that provide pirated content will also not be explicitly banned, but linking to or directly hosting pirated content on P.D is prohibited. Should any of these rules change, we will communicate it as quickly as possible and far ahead of any drastic action that would need to take place as a result.

I believe the majority of our users here will understand the pressure that any Lemmy instance faces by hosting content that can make them susceptible to legal action. To those of you who are understanding, we thank you for that, and are grateful for your patience with us while we get a better understanding ourselves.

Feel free to discuss this matter here.

Thanks,
The P.D. Admin Team.

4 points

I’d like us to stay federated, but if a lawyer advised snowe to defederate I’d totally get it and would do the same in their shoes.

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Stealing is bad but don’t expect Reddit outcasts to be supportive of this simple concept.

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The legal definition of piracy in regard to digital content isn’t stealing. You cannot steal digital media as stealing by definition means the owner of the content is no longer able to sell it. If you steal an apple they can’t sell it because you have it. Piracy of digital media is only copyright infringement, which is still illegal but regardless of how you feel about piracy it is fundamentally not theft.

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Like some of the others, I prefer we stay federated with everything possible. I see this as my gateway to Lemmy, not my programming account or whatever.

But if it negatively affects the actual life of the great folks running this instance? Fuuuuuck that noise! Nip that shit in the bud!

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I think that is really in the spirit of Lemmy and the Fediverse. Pick an instance that aligns with your interests / identity / geography / etc, and use that as an entry point to the rest. It doesn’t work so well if that entry point has overzealous gatekeeping.

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I’m not 100% familiar with how federating works between instances - if one instance is hosting illegal content such as piracy, is that content actually federated into the databases of other instances? As in - are the other instances are now actually hosting that illegal content?

Or are the frontends (like programming.dev) just kinda proxying data without hosting it?

Just wondering at what level illegal content would exist in federated instances, since that might matter how liable other instances would be for it

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For Lemmy, it is the latter. Federated content is stored locally on each instance.

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Exactly. Very well put!

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We have not blocked anything proactively.

For us, it was a priority to get some open communication out on this issue, due to any uncertainty caused my Lemmy.world’s actions.

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While you’re at it, it might be worth including a “canary” in these kinds of posts.

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I greatly appreciate the effort going into the decision.

It’s fantastic to see a community taking decisions like this seriously rather then just auto de-federating / blocking

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