It’s so bizarre to read this in the present, knowing how incredible TNG was, but I get it - the original crew WAS Star Trek to them.

The dedicated fans revived this series in syndication, well after it had gone off the air in 1969, and felt attached to the characters that they had obsessed over between then and the 1980s. Like modern fans, they thought that departure from what they knew would ruin it.

I wish I could go back in time and tell them that TNG is going to rock.

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It’s also funny that the article suggests that Laforge is the new Spock, and not obviously Data.

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I just noticed that he also spelled Riker as “Ryker”

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That one actually isn’t a mistake. His last name was spelled “Ryker” when they were developing the show.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/William_T._Riker#Character_development

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If you read the initial material, Data is drastically different. There is no explicit mention of being unemotional, just that he tends to speak more formally. He’s supposed to be more like the Ilia probe than Spock.

Worf didn’t exist at first, so Geordi the teacher with bionic vision would be the most “other” character. If they’d seen any of the early press material for Phase II, Spock’s replacement there was a very junior officer.

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Wow, could you imagine the show without Worf? It just wouldn’t feel right.

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The idea was that the Klingons had joined the Federation and we’d see Klingon Starfleet personnel in the background. When they did add Worf, he was to be more frequently Data’s relief than Yar’s.

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It’s always funny looking back at stuff like this. I remember looking at old articles about Catherine Tate becoming a companion in doctor who and people were furious - and in retrospect not only was she one of the best companions, but that was probably the greatest era of the show.

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Heath Ledger is another classic example. I remember the Internet being so confused and mad about the choice. ‘The 10 Things I Hate About You guy!?’

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I came here to post this. I remember someone insisting it was like casting Gary Coleman as Two-Face.

Although the response wasn’t as strong, there were fans who were also convinced that Robert Downey Jr. was a poor fit for Tony Stark.

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Iron man was a hail mary by Marvel. Their IP was failing. RDJ was a lucky casting. Given where he was at at the time he was a pretty risky pick. Marvel didn’t really have the budget to be too picky at the time.

There’s a reason Spiderman is owned by sony and the hulk by universal.

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Same thing with Michael Keaton as Batman. He was still Mr Mom at that point.

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And Craig as Bond.

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“unknown British Shakespearian actor…” Wow, I never thought I’d hear Patrick Stewart described that way.

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I think he was just an extra in the movie Excalibur before TNG, outside of stage.

Edit: “”““extra””“” in extra quotes forgive me it’s been over a decade since I saw the movie.

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How dare you disrespect Gurney Halleck like that?

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His boss was a captain too

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lol he wasn’t an extra… he had a hugely important role… he was Guenevere’s father for crying out loud, they fought a huge battle at his castle and everything… he tries to draw the freaking sword itself!!

edit: i’m sorry i love that film a little too much

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Wasn’t he also in the original version of Dune?

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He was in the original Dune too.

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The picture in the article is him as Gurney in Dune.

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Oh shit you’re right. Never saw that one though.

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He was great as Sejanus in I, Claudius.

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He was in I, Claudius. He’d been in stuff.

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He wasn’t well- known, but had had a bunch of assorted roles on TV and movies.

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Shlock shock journalism to sell issues.

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37 points

Nobody dislikes Star Trek as much as Star Trek fans.

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Damn Star Trek fans, they ruined Star Trek!

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This is actually true though

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Still better than Star Wars fans, though. Same as it ever was

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I remain slightly miffed about how Dr Pulaski, one of the few characters that received any development in TNG S2, was so hated by some fans that it caused to Diane Muldur to swear off of Trek altogether.

She might not have entirely understood Data to begin with, but she did become better at that later on, a stark contrast to much of the rest of the Federation, which would still be arguing whether he, or his children had personhood, and is the only Starfleet Doctor in RetroTrek to actively take an interest in and engage with her patient’s cultures.

I can’t envision early Dr Crusher taking part in Worf’s Klingon tea ceremony, for example.

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LOL. The TNG hate was ridiculous, but one other thing - nobody ignores a Star Trek fan better than other fans of Star Trek.

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I thought that was a Star Wars thing, but I guess it’s just a thing in general. For reference I like it all, Star Wars, Star Trek, TOS, TNG

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Honestly, those people, or rather their opinions, can all go to hell.

A new star trek series then or now won’t take away, alter or affect in any way TOS and their ability to enjoy it. Not to mention how incredibly un-Trek like it is to literally avoid “explore[ing] strange new worlds” like the plague.

I get that Trek is comfort food for many of us, and that probably creates a strong form of protective nostalgia, but staying in the past to the exclusion of the future is just awful (not to mention that I’m personally bothered at the extent to which this has happened with modern Trek and it’s proclivity for reboots and prequels, SNW becoming increasingly both).

Also, is that picture of Stewart from Dune (1984)?!

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There is one legit worry in the article, that the new show would impact TOS movies. But the rest of the article is spent talking about how it would be impossible for the new show to be good. It’s wild to read it with the benefit of hindsight lol

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Especially knowing that they went on to make 6 movies!

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Two of them were made after this article came out (he mentions four movies being made. Star Trek IV came out in 1986, TNG premiered in 1987). So Star Trek V 😬 and Star Trek VI 👍 were yet to be made.

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how it would be impossible for the new show to be good. It’s wild to read it with the benefit of hindsight lol

But also, so what if it turns out to not be good? You can’t know ahead of time in the same way no one knew TOS would be good. Plus, if being progressive was remotely anything these fans valued in Trek, there was plenty of room for improvement. Like, how has Trek fared against the Bechdel test? I’d imagine it takes up until Voyager that you start to get consistent episodes that pass (I’m not sure how often Jadzia-Kira and Troy-Crusher conversations happened)

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