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So a law designed to force more competitive app stores actually results in negative consequences for users?

Good job EU, don’t go all shocked pikachu on us now.

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23 points

Garmin has so many different trackers for different niches. Scuba, hikers, bikers, runners, pilots…

I switched after getting my third Fitbit replacement under warranty. Affordable and standard watch band parts, though some high-end trackers are a bit pricey for me.

Just no reason to stay with Fitbit with Google’s history of product longevity and support.

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7 points

Garmin is quite a lot more expensive, but Fitbit is just bad.

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The lower end Garmins are only like $20-40 more than a Fitbit (and frankly they are so much better it justifies the price)

Fitbits also only last 6-12 months - so depending on how unlucky you are with your warranty timing the Garmin likely works out to be cheaper

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I owned four Fitbit devices, and they all broke in some way. The clip broke at the middle joint. Everything else always was at the wristband to body joint, and they refused to make standard wristbands. I’ve had a Vivoactive 3 since 2018-ish, and it still works for me, plus I can have custom activities, and watch faces, and data screens. I like that my partner’s Garmin and mine use the same charging cable, too.

Disclaimer: I don’t use the smart watch features, like texts or calls or notifications of any kind on my tracker, and the battery lasts about five days still, unless I use GPS.

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3 points

I finally replaced my pebble with a Garmin. Pleasantly surprised. I still miss voice response and proper tasker integration, but otherwise it’s a solid smart watch.

Activities I only use for hiking. I don’t wear a watch cycling or kayaking. Looking forward to trying the snowboarding activity though.

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10 points

Love my Garmin. Got an older version and support has been great

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EU: You must have a consent if you want to process personal data.

Tech companies: Okey, so we are going to collect even more and annoy the user with consent popup every single time.

EU: You must not be the single provider of services for the hardware you sell, hardware and things it is connecti g to should be independent markets.

Tech companies: Remove any option to install an app or add-on, understood.

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Actually, in the long run this might be something good. This will force EU lawmakers to act regarding software services being pulled without consent.

A lot of things are sold with features relying on software services / cloud services. You buy a smart tv today and two years later the vendor decides to kill the appstore. (Had a friend who bought a Sony Bravia TV. Two years after she bought it she finally got a network outlet installed near the tv. However, Sony had decided to go another route and just killed 99% of all apps and the smart TV was really dumb)

Is this what you initially paid for when you decided to buy the device? Should the consumer just accept that a major part of the listed features just disappears?

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Nah its Google acting. The EU only cares when it is alone or particularly MS.

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36 points

Maybe what we need to do is to start considering such feature abandonment as abandonware and make it so all abandonware must be user modifiable and open source. (To me ideally, there would be a complete separation between software and hardware, aka, if the company can substitute or replace it, so must the user)

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I’m pretty sure that looks better on paper than it will do in the real world. Today a lot of software libraries are incorporated into applications. These libraries solve specific problems that the vendor didn’t have to solve themselves. Often these libraries are licensed to be used under specific circumstances. Even if you would get your hands on the source code, you are certainly not allowed to declare it open source.

So even if Sony were to release the OS on the Bravia as open source, it would most likely be a Swiss cheese with holes that had to be fixed before it was usable.

At that point you still wouldn’t have gained much from an end user perspective since there is still no app store. Even if you set up your own local app store you would have to convince Netflix and other streaming services to release a client app for your tv.

I think the solution is more in the direction of legal pressure. If you sell something, it should be expected that you honor that sale and not change it to something it wasn’t when you happily accepted the money.

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The point in my “ideal world” is that because they are forced to open source the software and allow users to replace it, other users could for example try to implement android TV on that old Sony Bravia tv. If the Android phone market is anytbing to go by, it is a real possibility, depending on the popularity of the tv

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A good start would be to require that companies put an expiration date on the products they sell, and until that date they are legally required to support the product. Also, it should be put into law that companies cannot remove features, services or content in a product after it was already sold until the expiration date.

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Then the only your valid alternative to that is that you are no longer allowed to license code that is unable to be open sourced at the provider level. What are companies going to do, stop making software because they don’t want to open source it? Like there isn’t much a company you can do if they just unilaterally decide that this type of Licensing is no longer legal, companies aren’t going to just choose to not exist because of it they’re still going to exist and they’re not going to shut down over the inability to have a closed Source license after abandonment

The worst case scenario is closed Source license libraries might decide to close because they don’t need to exist anymore which means that companies would be forced to actually design the software they’re working on, but in reality these types of libraries would likely just switch over to an open source support funded tier where they will provide the library is however they’re not going to give any support unless they’re on that subscription tier like how msps are

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17 points

On this note, I feel it should be totally illegal to change the terms of services or user licensing agreement unilaterally and force a user to either accept the new tos (or ULA) or be forced to stop using the service.

You should have a third option being “let’s keep the old terms of services”/ula

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29 points

TIL, Google bought Fitbit

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25 points

3 years ago.

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8 points

Only three years? I could have sworn it was more like half a decade now.

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4 points

As far as I recall it took forever to get sanctioned.

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