So maybe the huge worry people had after the news that WHO would classify it as cancerous was a little too much. I think the media could have reported on it in a bit more responsible way.
Not a shock.
Food scares are almost always over blown (except obviously tide pods).
People thought MSG was going to kill everyone. People thought Cholesterol was the key to good health. Even fat in moderation is perfectly fine.
But Fish will kill you with mercury, uncooked pork will kill you with everything (which is unlikely to happen in the first place, but also most pork you get is already cooked, at least sausage and hams). Salmonella is definitely going to kill you. Your kitchen is going to burn down, Fried food will end your life, and all processed food is bad.
Remember Supersize me? Remember the guy who ate two big macs a day for multiple years. That SINGLE guy should have been the end of the entire documentary, because he basically showed “Yes you can eat McDonalds in moderation and have a healthy life.” But instead “McDonalds is going to kill you with super sized food.”
The fact is you’re probably more likely to get Ebola than most of these things actually contributing to your death… though speaking of disease myths…
These things rush in, kill a business or a company, and then are forgotten, and then 10 years later new science comes out and goes “Btw it wasn’t as bad as people thought… try it out”
About the MSG hysteria, it’s not even rooted in actual medical data, just run-of-the-mill xenophobia, which in itself is absolutely wild to me. It’s like a whole chunk of the population collectively decided to develop the palate of a toddler, turning up their nose to “foreign” food.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate “Researchers, doctors, and activists have tied the controversy about MSG to xenophobia and racism against Chinese culture,[62][63][64][65][66] saying that East Asian cuisine is being targeted while the widespread use of MSG in other processed food hasn’t been stigmatized.[67] These activists have claimed that the perpetuation of the negative image of MSG through the Chinese restaurant syndrome was caused by “xenophobic” or “racist” biases.[68][69]”
I didn’t dive deep on MSG just to not sound like I’m ranting about that specifically but you nailed it. It was more about Chinese restaurants (at least that’s how I heard it) and I remember my parents saying we don’t go to Chinese restaurants during the hysteria.
Sucks because I love Chinese food, and Thai, Korean, Japanese and more.
Even the tide pod thing was over blown. No one was actually eating them, it was just a meme.
I mean, unless this article is a fabrication, I think that’s enough deaths for concern.
Not suggesting in any way that it was the fault of the mfr, but to me that’s plenty to justify folks wanting something done to curb it.
And I curse those folks every single time I have to smash through the lid of my Persil laundry discs with brute strength because the lids are actually people-proof. 🙂
And even then, small amounts will make you immune. No seriously, I saw it in a documentary called the Princess Bride.
It depends on what substance it is. I wouldn’t try and test this theory on plutonium, but some allergenic stuff can have vaccines made for them.
As a side note, i don’t think the skinny guy from Super Size Me who eats 2 Big macs a day is a picture of exemplary health. Dude is either a genetic outlier or he will drop dead of a coronary one day.
All of those could be explanations. Here’s another one.
Big macs are 583 calories… two big macs are about 1100 calories… aka perfectly reasonable in a healthy diet. I forget if he ate two a day or two in some meals, but a nutritionist would ok that Calorie count.
Morgan Spurlock pushed “no one can eat here and be healthy” but he constantly pushed for combo meals ate in one sitting, and supersized every time they asked. That’s like someone going into a bar and saying yes every time the bartender goes “Want another one” and then going “OMG I’m so wasted and got alcohol poisoning” he set the rules up to make sure he failed, because no one is saying eat a combo meal at Mcdonalds for three meals a day.
The thing is it WOULD be interesting if he looked into why he can maintain a reasonable weight while eating it… but of course they didn’t because that would prove Mcdonalds isn’t the worst thing ever. Morgan had two goals. Prove Mcdonalds is unhealthy (And ignore contrary evidence) and make an entertaining documentary. He did the later, but I feel like he never even came close to the former because his methodology was shit.
He’s not all that special or unhealthy. 2 big macs is about 1k calories, if you get them as two meals with coke it’s about 2k calories. If that’s your food for the day it’s perfectly fine for a moderately active person. The sodium is probably the most dangerous part and just drinking more water would likely keep that in check as well.
People seem to not understand that not everything is about calories. There’s a fuck ton of grease and fat in that food. You might not exactly gain a ton of weight but you’ll be coating your arteries with all of that fat. A little fat is good. We all need fat. But the amount of fat that is in fried and red meat is very high. Too high to be eating everyday even if you’re within calorie limits
The constant stupidity around food makes science look really really bad and I bet it’s the biggest contributor to people not trusting doctors and climate scientists. Personally I’ve become something like an antivaxer but with food. If people have been eating it for hundreds of years I trust it regardless of what studies say, and if it’s newfangled processed food I don’t trust it, also ignoring any study. I can easily see why some people wouldn’t differentiate between these alarmist food studies and the much more legitimate areas of science. It’s wrong but I understand exactly where they’re coming from.
Plus the reporting on it.
At a certain point, people start saying things like “X is supposed to be bad now, but give it 5 years and it’ll probably be healthy again!” or “they say you’re not supposed to do Y anymore…”.
Because, of course, most people get their information from news sources who are always trying to find the next superfood or poison that we’ve all been consuming for hundreds of years. And often, many of the things were taught when we’re younger are no longer considered correct, or at least fully correct, anymore.
So at a point people just get tired, ignore all of it, and just do whatever they were going to do anyway, because from their perspective, scientists can’t make their mind up anyway.
I think it’s incumbent upon adults to see media blitzes as probably exaggerated and studded with misinfo.
If you don’t buy the initial wave, the accuracy of news goes way up.
The problem is most people aren’t doing that, and even those who do get second hand/rumors/stories from other people and eventually succumb to misinformation.
I’ve heard many times that X is cancer causings. I wish it was one wave that you could ignore but this shit gets repeated entirely too often, and even if it’s not, the misinformations operates outside of the individual, because downstream products (diet coke) moved away from this because of bad PR.
Supersize Me: “Wow, if I eat garbage at a 3000+ calorie rate a day, I’m gonna feel like shit! Please give me awards and adoration and play me in every high school health class!”
Something being carcinogenic is not the same as it being likely to cause cancer. I wish this was a better understood distinction in the public. It comes down to how carcinogenic it is and how much you’re exposed to/consume. It is technically true that aspartame is carcinogenic – it’s a scientific fact. But like they say here, normal human consumption amounts makes the likelihood of getting cancer from it negligible.
It’s important though to recognize that carcinogens come in varying levels of strength. I’m fine with drinking two cans of diet soda, but I would never wash my hands in benzene. Benzene and aspartame are both carcinogenic, but benzene is WAY more potent. We’ve limited the amount of benzene that can be in gasoline for this reason – but again note, it’s limited, not eliminated.
I took an environmental engineering class in college, and our professor had a very cute but apt tagline. Dilution is the solution to pollution. You’ll never get rid of 100% of something. But reducing its concentration can make it safe regardless. Same idea goes here.
Thanks for coming to my completely unsolicited Ted Talk.
Up to 14 cans is technically limited but I don’t think that limit is relevant for the average person. Or what do the Americans say?
14 cans is like 4.62 liters, which is more than what an average person needs in water per day.
I’m in the US. I’ve never know anyone to drink that much soda, aside from some clients with severe mental illness. One of my clients damaged her kidneys to the brink of failure from drinking such absurd amounts of soda every day… It’s not just the sugar to worry about, but all that carbonation… It’s bad for the kidneys.
I’m not trying to imply that people drinking that much soda are mentally ill, but rather that it is a dysfunctional behavior.
My first thought was my teeth would be brittle as chalk from all that soda
Cancer is one thing, what about other health aspects? Does it affect your gut microbiota like earlier studies have suggested?
I’d think that to be more hereditary, I’m a diet soda enjoyer and my microbiome is very strong, but I also always handled it really well and I do also enjoy eating certain foods like Greek yogurt.
For instance, tolerance to sugar alcohols is a hereditary thing for the most part. A tsp of erithrytol is a serving that would be trivial to some, but send others straight to the toilet.
Anyone with functioning kidneys is fine. Anyone with kidney problems probably isn’t drinking much soda anyway, and if they are that’s their choice. The occasional diet soda won’t kill you any faster than, say, standing outside would.
Nobody’s drinking 5 LITERS of soda in a day. If they are? More power to ‘em.
This isn’t a big deal in the slightest. A lot of diet sodas aren’t even using aspartame anymore, so it’s nearly a moot point.
