This is completely counter productive to growing Lemmy. I absolutely despise discord. Look at the network traffic it generates and tell me wtf they are doing. They won’t tell you. Their business model will leave you completely dumbfounded as to how they exist. Everything shared on the platform is lost in a black hole unavailable to the outside world and everything shared is a privacy nightmare. Posting this, pinning it here, and locking it is one of the biggest trolls possible. It pisses me off every time I log in. “Everyone else does it” is the excuse of idiots. Discord makes absolutely no sense to anyone that actually cares to look into it, read the user agreement, and ask sane questions about what they are doing.
Fucking hell, this again.
Listen, you people need to realize a lot of people are here on Lemmy because Reddit screwed them over, not because Lemmy is open source or less of a privacy issue or whatever your reasons for using it are.
So you hate Discord. That’s fine, you’re allowed to! But pitching a fit because everyone else doesn’t hate it isn’t gonna convince anyone to stop using it.
Especially since this thread is about removing the pinned post. And a lot of the people downvoting are from other instances, they don’t even see it pinned it’s just ‘discord bad’. Which is literally the top comment in this thread.
If I may, we are all probably alt juggling at the moment, the fact that you see people interacting with account from other instances does not mean the people don’t have an account on LW
I don’t hate Discord, but I do hate that they seem to require my phone number. I tried joining Discord over a year ago. Upon first log in they claimed that there was suspicious activity that required me to verify the account by giving them my phone number. This was from a computer, I never even visited the site on my phone let alone use the mobile app. I gave up and forgot about until a few months ago and decided to try again. They still wanted my phone number, email wasn’t good enough. I contacted their support email and was told that there was no other option but to provide a phone number and that they couldn’t override it. So I told them to delete my account and that I would never use their service. It took two weeks for them to do it.
There are very few situations in which an app needs my phone number in my eyes. And a chat application is not one of them. Just like I refused to use the official Reddit app because it wanted access to my contacts and location. I am not a super privacy nut, but the whole hog approach of gathering my info is not acceptable. I would rather pay for the service. I would have paid for Reddit if they had gone that route rather than dropping 3rd Party apps. Instead I’m on Lemmy.
So fucking hell yes, this again.
There are alternatives to Discord.
Your requirement to use software is based around whether or not it requires your phone number for verification?
Man some people draw really weird lines.
This is shitty, but not common.
Certain channels will require a phone verified account, but most won’t.
Did you ever try on a phone or a different computer in a different location? With a different email?
If discord ever decides that your account is “suspicious” (they won’t tell you why they decide it), you will be completely locked out of your account and you can not do anything on the website unless you provide your phone number for verification. I have one such accounts too that I created for joining the community of a certain game. These are the only two screens you can access on this account:
They also helpfully tell you that you can only verify a single account with your phone number, so if I wanted to verify this account for a gaming community, I would de-verify the account I use for work, so I’m not going to do that, lest it looks “suspicious” to discord and they delete my account - For example a while ago the person who created one of the discord community “servers” we use for work got their discord account deleted (discord wouldn’t tell us a reason).
The point isn’t to bash the discord company or service, I’m just stating things that happen if you choose discord.
Everyone wants your phone number now because it’s a decent approach to combating spammers. Note that I said decent, not perfect. It’s relatively easy for a company to determine if a phone number is owned by a specific person vs. a voip company that enables spammers to use hundreds of new numbers, so now we’re asking everyone for theirs. SMS is also used for the lowest form of multi factor authentication, so they get to claim that it’s a security decision, not one for marketing, etc and because of network effects, we all have to choose to either go along or miss out.
Agree that it’s super annoying and certainly not privacy-centric, but Discord is owned by Microsoft, what can we expect? Innovation?
Discord being owned by Microsoft, now that’s news to me. I don’t think that’s a thing, at least not yet.
I understand the ease for choosing phone numbers. I would love it if they gave me another option to validate.
For a community like Lemmy, I would prefer that they choose a different chat system, one that doesn’t require me to validate with a phone number. Matrix is an option and doesn’t require phone numbers.
It also doesn’t work. I can’t use telegram because I have a number that I originally got from project fi, back when it was project fi. Eventually I moved cell providers and I migrated the phone number that I got with Project Fi. As such, a real number that I’ve had for over a decade looks like a voip range number, even though it isn’t anymore and hasn’t been for a long time.
Yeah I’m here because I like the alternative to Reddit’s bullshit.
I couldn’t care less about Foss. I mean it’s cool, but it’s not why I’m here.
Reddits bullshit is the end case for ANY product or service that is not FOSS.
https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys
You should care, or else you will go through reddit all over again and again.
I think at the very least we could have an open source alternative along with the discord. No reason to completely shutdown the discord.
One already exists
Moderation tools are in progress, so probably not good for now: https://trello.com/b/4e2O7tge/revolt-roadmap
I’ve been using it for a very long time now. (Mostly) works really well.
Why care so much. Nobody forces you to do anything, don’t like it don’t use it and you can still enjoy Lemmy World. The entitlement is a bit much honestly.
Edit: for some perspective. This comment currently has 23 downvotes, only 5 of them are from Lemmy World users that actually see the local pinned post.
If you’re so upset about out-of-instance interaction, just defederate altogether from all other instances. Turn into Truth Social. Or close the server. Jesus, just take criticism with grace.
criticism
Which has no merit at all to begin with, since out-of-instance users do not see the pinned posts of Lemmy.world. He’s right to call out most of you for simply concern-trolling.
Most of you
How hateful. I’m a user of this instance and I dislike that stupid pinned message. It’s ok to have a Discord chat, but to have a promotion permanently pinned is a power trip move.
This thread is about unpinning a local thread. Something that does not affect people from another instance at all.
It pushes people to other instances. It is quite disenfranchising to some. I was here before you by a small margin, and was one of the most active users in promotion of positive community building. You are creating a problem no different than reddit. Matrix is the alternative built into Lemmy. Your resistance to this is why you should not be admin here.
Yup! Its not a forced thing. Where you get “special” news or so. Its just a off site platform where LW can tell whats wrong if the site goes offline. For the casual user, its the easiest to join.
Its just a off site platform where LW can tell whats wrong if the site goes offline.
Hello,
Thank you for your work!
For that specific use case, would it be possible to set-up a Mastodon account posting heads-up about incidents?
There are already monitoring sites that provide that info:
But this means that the community chat will be in discord. If I want to chat with other members in this community, I need to join discord.
So it would be better if another option would be advertised
If volunteers were to setup a Matrix room, would it be possible to add a pinned post with it in a similar way to the Discord one?
As always, thank you for your work!
Sadly to manage Matrix is more difficult and harder to moderate ( there is no mod bot and developing is a mess )
I thought https://github.com/Gnuxie/Draupnir was a solution?
Edit: just had a look at the chat and updated the link
What people don’t get is that self-hosting a Discord-like is not a solution. The idea is to have a fallback in case the server goes down, and Discord serves that role well.
An admin complaining about downvotes doesn’t inspire confidence in the running of the instance.
It’s so the admins can communicate when the server is down. Would you rather they use Twitter?
Don’t we already have a Matrix Channel for that? Even if they wanted a lemmy.world specific Space it’s still Far better than proprietary Discord. I mean isn’t it already encouraged to link Matrix for secure messaging, why not just use a Space on Matrix for lemmy.world support and communication.
Discord is a chat program that usually devolves into garbage memes and off-topic nonsense instantly.
This… Is somehow different from Lemmy other than the chat vs forum aspect?
Uh He never said it has to be self-hosted though, so this already sounds like a strawman argument. Only one who has mentioned self hosting in this thread is you.
People want something that is secure and respects privacy, they could simply use the Matrix channel, or create their own Matrix space specific to lemmy.world , both of these would be better options for the users than to try and get them to use Discord which is a proprietary corporate service that is not only prone to security problems but also has some serious privacy concerns due to being corporate owned.
Don’t care, tbh. I would prefer if people would be less uptight on these things. Let people have Lemmy and Discord, if they want. They’ll get there, if we stop being dicks to people who are still finding out.
It’s a unabashed admission from the admin that this site isn’t taken seriously, nor the FOSS mindset that built the infrastructure + most of the userbase. Real disappointing for sure, but especially considering the other decisions that have been made recently on this platform -it’s gonna be a ghost town soon.
