I haven’t been able to update my cellphone anonymously with Aurora since January. Every time I try, Aurora errors out with “Oops, you are rate limited”.

This isn’t the first time Google plays at making non-normies’ lives difficult. So I tried the usual tricks, updated Aurora, tried the nightly build, waited, tried again… for months - to no avail: Google just won’t play ball this time.

Last week, Signal stopped working and demanded to be updated. Fortunately, Signal offers the APK as a normal download without having to get it from the hateful Google Play store.

Today, my home banking identificator app did the same thing and stopped working. I needed to make a payment right now, and I had no way to update the app: “Oops, you are rate limited”. And my bank sure doesn’t offer the APK outside of anything but the goddamn Google Play store.

So I relented and created a Google account. Which of course entailed giving Google a phone number. I sure didn’t give them mine, so I phoned a friend abroad who doesn’t care to ask him to receive the verification SMS on his phone and read out the code to me. Which worked long enough to set up 2FA and do away with phone numbers altogether. And finally, after an hour of fucking around, annoying other people and compromising their phone number, I could update my banking app and make my payment at last.

All that because Google has decided they want to control my phone.

Fuck Google.

Seriously, how they are allowed to hold the Android world hostage like this without getting their monopolistic ass Sherman’ed AT&T-style, I’ll never know. It’s long overdue.

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This isn’t the first time Google plays at making non-normies’ lives difficult.

I agree with the tone of this, but are you seriously using “normies” unironically?

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I can’t say I’ve heard the word “normies” used ironically before

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Don’t read condescension into it. I said non-normie as a convenient shortcut for “not in the statistical norm” - which is what we who reject Google’s vampirizing influence are. Hopefully we’ll be the normies one day. But for now we definitely are not.

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These corporations would never let that be the norm. They are presently moderate about it because we are an extreme minority, but if this population starts growing at rapid rates, these leeches will go crazy. Just like how Google behaved a few months ago to prevent ad-block usage on YouTube. The unfortunate news is that we can’t even do much about it; they already have a scary market share and the money to do whatever they want. Worse thing is that these corporations will unite together in such scenario.

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my only hope is that with the receding influence of us tech companies we will get more breathing space for alternative foss software in the future.

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Spoken like someone from Kaliningrad (as opposed to someone in the US, where US tech companies’ influence is only getting even stronger).

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oh fuck you got me!

srsly though, what makes you think that its not declining

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I’ve been running GraphiteOS and get most of my apps from Fdroid.

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I love FDroid but no way in hell is my banking app going open source and uploading there. I can use the website instead of the app but I doubt that’s the case for everyone.

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You mean GrapheneOS? Or is GraphiteOS a different OS I’ve not heard of?

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GrapheneOS?

Yes

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Another solution would be downloading the APK from APKMirror. I believe all their APKs signatures are checked against the proper Play Store releases or something like that (don’t quote me on that), but the baseline is that all their APKs should be pretty safe.

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As much as I hate Google and the Play Store, I trust it more than third party app stores. APKPure, Aptoide, APKMirror… They all sound a bit sketchy to me. Because if you think about it, there’s absolutely no way to verify that the APK files they serve haven’t been diddled with, since the Google Play store doesn’t give a file hash that would enable me to verify the file’s signature independently. Not to mention, their apps have a knack for displaying obnoxious advertisement at full screen and full volume.

And even if I did trust them, do you find this normal? Why is Google allowed to make me jump through hoops and compromise my security with impunity?

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Without mentioning that most of the time (and probably depending where you live) you won’t find your banking app in there, nor in the Aurora Store usually.

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Hmm no, if it’s in the Google Play store, it’s in Aurora too - kind of by definition.

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That’s an interesting point I hadn’t considered, some quick searching however shows that (at least some) German banking apps are on APKMirror. I can’t speak for other countries though.

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This comment about the app signature should apply to your situation too, you can’t mess with an APK and then sign it with the Google Play keys.

APKMirror is the most trustworthy website there is for APKs out there, if you do some research you will see that the community consensus is it being pretty safe.

I do however understand your concern, especially when talking about banking apps. Honestly now that I think about it, for a banking app I’d rather make a burner Google Account as well. For less sensitive apps however, APKMirror is the best non Google way to get their APKs.

About the app, I have no idea, I only ever used the website (with uBlock).

Obviously it sucks that you need a Google account to access all these apps “properly” through the Play Store, for free apps they should really just let you download them without an account.

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I just switched to a degoogled phone and Aurora recently, and it worked fine installing 30+ apps. When you get an error, try logging out of Aurora and start a new session, maybe the current Aurora proxy your phone is using is down

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Yep this is it. Same thing happened to me randomly for a week before i said “maybe it’s not the servers” and did the whole turn it off and on again thing.

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