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Well, having the office was nice because I like my colleagues. I’m lucky in that regard though, and as nice as it was to socialise at work, working from home is nicer. Not to mention much much cheaper by every metric. In conclusion fuck ever going back to the office, thank you for coming to my TEDx Talk.

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I personally like it too, but not daily. I average 1-2 days in office now and it’s healthy for me. See my coworkers, they know my name, we catch up, have our meetings, then I go home for a few days again. I’ve just learned everyone is different, and the company definitely shouldn’t be telling people how to work, people are grownups and can decide themselves. (And if they can’t, then fire them instead of punishing everyone).

However for this meme, another great way to get people off the roads would be… trains

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18 points

I like trains.

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I like freight trains, but I wouldn’t want to live anywhere that commuter trains would make sense.

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Some people don’t have the space at home to set up a working area and really want to just go to an office that their employer pays for, and that’s fine.

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This, and I do a lot of gaming on my pc, have a nice setup etc, usually not great trying to work there (don’t have space for another desk and can’t really justify having two sets of monitors, keyboard etc

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This is why coworking spaces exist.

I don’t know in other countries but it is working quite well in France, you can get a subscription to the closest working space and have a desk, meeting rooms … To work remotely.

I like that it gives a separation between home and work but without long commute.

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21 points

Unnecessary RTO should be outlawed

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The worst part of it is most big companies are forcing RTO to either justify the leases they don’t want to pay to break, or to satisfy tax incentives agreements they made with municipalities.

In both cases, they’re deciding it’s better if you pay - in time, gas, car maintenance, mental health, productivity, and stress - for their business decisions that went bad instead of paying money out of their own bloated pockets.

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I don’t have the kind of job that can be done remotely, but I’m all for remote work where it’s possible and desired. My best friend hated working from home at the height of covid because he’s an extrovert who can’t really afford to go out much. Now he works from home Mondays and Fridays and I think it’s kinda the best of both worlds for him. I think that employers that already have office space for workers that could effectively do their job from home should give workers a choice. Maybe hybrid workers have required scheduled days in the office just to make sure they’re there to attend necessary meetings or collaborations or whatever rather than it just be them coming in when they feel like it, but the technology has caught up to allow way more flexibility than ever before. If I had a 100% desk job, I would move somewhere cheaper and never come in. I know I’m not alone there, and I think there’s no reason to hold that option hostage. Covid proved that it could be done for most white collar work, and we can’t let them try to squeeze that Pandora back into its box.

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Honestly I think we’re going to hit a wall where we realize we need about half as many “office drones” as we have in a couple years.

So many people with office jobs drive in, sit at a desk, and do maybe 2 hours of actual work in the entire day. Or they work from home and do the same. And then they collect their 95k/year salary.

I really dunno if people are prepared for businesses to start going “wait, what are all of these people doing?” And axing their workforce and replacing most of them with AI or existing other employees

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The thing you’re not accounting for is that work that primarily involves thought, which is what “office drones” are doing, aren’t productive in the same way that physical or service jobs are.
Looking off into space thinking is part of the work. People average about four hours of productive work in an eight hour day.

The thing you can’t do is get rid of half the people and then expect the other half to magically be eight hours productive per day. Businesses keep trying and weirdly it just tanks their output.

AI is not the panacea that so many people think it is. Do you feel happy when you need help with something you bought and you get an AI trying to offer you helpful articles or tips? I don’t. Do you want the same level of service from the entity that controls where your paycheck gets deposited or fixed your HSA contributions?

If you definition of work is butts in chairs typing, office workers don’t do too much work. But that’s a very naive definition of what most office workers are actually doing.

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Me thinks thou dost protest too much

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10 points

Incredibly well said. I’m saving this.

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The thing you’re not accounting for is that work that primarily involves thought, which is what “office drones” are doing

Found the office drone.

Our office drones are not “thinking” for half the day like you, and input and manipulate data. You could also include half these “managers” too who sit in an office sending emails all day, and never hit the shop floor.

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Given that office drone would cover any job that isn’t service, manufacturing or laborer, it’s not exactly surprising that you’d find one. I’m a software developer.

It’s almost always best to assume that other people’s jobs actually take some form of skill, because they always do. People get paid for a reason. Otherwise you fall into the trap of calling huge swaths of work “unskilled labor” and thinking they don’t deserve much pay, just because they’re just moving stuff around on the shop floor.

What do you think those emails the managers are sending are, if not work?

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If it is so easy to be an office drone, why weren’t you able to get a job like that?

Is it maybe because it involves skills you aren’t aware of?

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Experimental solution proposal:

  • Fire all management. They’re expensive and exponentially less productive. Their stupid large offices and pricey desks also waste space.

  • (Office) workers collectively do the thing they do without being micro managed and stuffed into pointless meetings.

  • ???

  • Probably profit, actually. But then how would the “in-club” kids reap all the rewards without working? :( :( :(

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or you could let everyone work half as many hours for the same pay, but sure why should anyone except business owners get to benefit 🙄

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That would be hard to balance around all the people who actually do work 8-12 hours a day

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32 points

I’d be fine with going into the office if public transportation could get me there, but it’s a 15 minute drive vs 1.5 hours on the bus. And when I go into the office I just put in headphones with a YouTube documentary and don’t talk to anyone. What’s the point?

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