Lets destroy a sovereign country and annex it because:
- some people there may be nazis
- sudeten, oops, russian minority
- being pro-Amerikkka
- people there don’t have any political will, motivation or identity so another country made them throw out their dictator
How do you even exist with yourselves. You are a joke.
of course, a nation is truly sovereign after a fascist coup planned and funded by a foreign government, this makes perfect sense
Let’s not kid ourselves, people, they are both nazi regimes. Russia is not the USSR, it is a mafia state. The existence of the Ukrainian and Russian governments is a crime against humanity, they are not our friends.
Instead of helping one side or the other, we should destroy them both. Putin and Zelensky should be hanged and their illegitimate fascist governments should be overthrown.
Once the Western thugs have dealt with either one of them. There would certainly be a in-fighting between these capitalists lusting after power and gold.
And it’s truly sovereign after it gets destroyed and annexed by a different foreign government, really?
Fuck western nations but like also fuck Putin’s Russia
After the fascist coup, Crimea and the Donbas very reasonably wanted to separate from the new government. The coup government reacts by sending fascists to occupy the Donbas. Russia waits for almost a decade, trying multiple times to make a deal with the coup government and its backers to leave the Donbas alone and let it have some level of autonomy. The coup government repeatedly violates both of the Minsk agreements and continues killing civilians. Russia finally accepts the request from the DPR and LPR to send troops into the region. Ukraine continues attacking the Donbas and eventually Russia and the Donbas republics decide that they have to enter Ukraine in order to stop the attacks. During this time, Russia attempts many times to negotiate a peace deal, which Ukraine’s coup government almost accepts until some imperialist mascot like Boris Johnson travels to Kyiv and tells Zelensky not to accept the deal. As a result, the war continues.
but clearly this is all Russia’s fault
And then when you say you don’t support Ukraine, you’re the Nazi.
And then you have PMC Wagner which is named after Hitler’s favorite composer. Wagner, also the callsign of its founder Dmitry Utkin. Pictured here with a nice SS tattoo.
All big coincidences I’m sure :)
Edit: downvote away hypocrites :D
you know it’s complete bullshit when even the wikipedia article of the dude calls it out:
In 2016, Utkin was pictured at a ceremony in the Kremlin intended to honor the courage of military personnel and civilians, but he hasn’t been seen in public since.
Wait. You guys spread putins propaganda? Rly?
Ukraine has a serious Nazi problem. You’re going to have to grow up and learn to deal with the real world.
The world has a serious nazi problem. Russia has way bigger nazi problems. Poland is run by the PiS, nazis.
You wanna see the real world honey? Nazis are all over, and it just helps the facist putin to support his claim of nazis in Ukraine
The world has a serious nazi problem
Agreed, but some countries have it worse than others. I’m sure there’s some nazoids lurking around in the shadows in China or Vietnam, but the issue in Ukraine is that they are in the government and have a pretty significant representation in the army.
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Russia has way bigger nazi problems
Russia is pretty far from perfect and people who idolize Putin are lost, but in this regard they are leagues above Ukraine.
Show me anywhere in the world that has open Nazi units serving in the military.
Show me anywhere in the world that openly celebrates Nazis as national holidays.
Show me anywhere in the world that renames streets, shopping malls, stadiums after Nazis.
Show me anywhere in the world that runs Nazi indoctrination camps for children.
I can show you all of these for Ukraine.
Over to you. Darling.
PiS, nazis.
What are you talking about xD
They are at best christo-fascists who peddle both anti-communism and anti-hitlerism to peddle their disgusting political line. You want Polish fascists who tend to have nazi tendencies? Look no further than Korwin and their little new coalition “Nowa Nadzieja”.
Oh and I almost forgot, that our liberals tend to call PiS’s social programs (used to sway public opinion towards them, by abusing the people who need material help the most) “socialism”.
You wanna see the real world honey?
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You guys spread putins propaganda?
Western media used to spread Putin propaganda before February 2022 too, look.
Nazis in Ukraine doesn’t justify the war, but it needs to be fucking addressed.
We are sending billions in weapons to Ukraine without the faintest idea where they end up, and which hands get to store them. Edit: We kind of do know, but close our eyes to that reality.
Last time we did this, it was Taliban/ISIS/Al-Queda. Shouts out to our Anti-Soviet freedom fighter Osama Bin Laden:
White ISIS might be just around the corner.
So what can we do? End the war.
Peace negotiations and humanitarian help for the people caught in the middle. Fuck Russia, but also fuck America and NATO. We(Western nations) provoked this war, and it has been brewing for at least a decade. We did absolutely nothing to prevent it. On the contrary: We supported fascists and nazis in Ukraine, and expanded militarybases across Russian borders.
No investigation, no right to speak
Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn’t that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense?
It won’ t do!
It won’t do!
You must investigate!
You must not talk nonsense!
I think the first question you should ask yourself is why do you think Putin spreads propaganda, but the western media spreads the truth and facts?
I mean the Azov Batallion is a nazi organization. This is commonly accepted knowledge and a result of Stepan Bandera (a nazi who wanted independence from the Soviet Union) being the primary driver of nationalist sentiment in Ukraine. The western media just want to pretend like the fact that they ‘only’ run the propaganda for the National Guard isn’t bad enough to make every soldier a nazi.
…And that’s a fair point but irrelevant to whether the Ukrainian military has fascist sympathies. Imperialist wars are always motivated by capitalist interests and fought with the blood of workers. The question is who’s material interests those workers are serving, wittingly or no. The Ukrainian ministry is giving a lot of power very specifically to the tiny militia of Azov Batallion which I think answers that question.
Finally, yes it’s also Russian propaganda but that says more about the west than Russia. If the Kremlin can invade a country and make itself look like it has the moral highground while doing it using commonly accepted facts you really fucked up. They might not be on the right side of history, but you are on the really really far outer edge of the wrong side of it.
For the new users here, I recommend reading the following thread to understand why lemmygrad users take the stance they take: https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/418335
Is there a particular reason why many of y’all here seem to support Russia in this conflict? It seems to me that Russia are the aggressors, and I kind of understand why Russia invaded Ukraine (strategic location and reduce their border with NATO), but isn’t it still the case that Ukrainian and Russian citizens shouldn’t have to suffer and be annexed to Russia? I’m asking this question in good faith, I’m still a baby socialist.
In particular, I recommend @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml’s comment in that thread.
I also recommend reading this post: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/687025 (Titled «A comment on the Russia/NATO war»)
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