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Paywall removed. https://archive.ph/BkIad

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Doesn’t it take only 1 of the counties with veto power to shut this down? Why would Russia ever approve?

Edit: Had a brain fart. Thanks for the corrections. Leaving my dumb comment anyway.

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NATO. Not the UN. Russia has no say into nato since it was designed to fit Russia.

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designed to fit Russia.

Luckily Russia isn’t fit.

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Down voted for a joke based on someone else’s typo… what a world we live in

Edit: that’s more like it

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Never ask a man their wage, never ask a woman their age, never ask who started NATO and why.

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Russia isn’t in NATO, but they are it’s most successful recruiter.

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Which is why I’m baffled why people still spread the myth that Russia invaded to ‘stop nato aggression.’

Like, firstly you’re fucking wrong, but if you want to wear that L like a medal then go for it. Russia is the biggest reason the baltics joined.

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I’m not sure who would say that it was to ‘stop NATO aggression’, but it’s not hard to imagine it as a some kind of response to NATO’s continued expansion around them.

NATO hasn’t been in any direct operations against Russia but they have been involved in the ME where they have been active.

I think of it a lot in the same way as the US’s pacific ocean and Caribbean territorial expansion and involvement in central america as a response to the Cuban Missile crisis and Soviet posturing.

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Russia is the biggest reason the baltics joined.

The Baltic states joined in 2004. Long before Putin was made into a pariah, and Russia was still seen as part of the West and publicly aspiring to join NATO

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NATO lost. They stopped the aggression. You’re going to have to dea with that. NATO is finished now, along with the rest of the west.

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Because that’s what Russia has been repeating for the past two years. Some people believe lies whan they’re repeated often enough.

A major reason may have been to stop Ukraine’s entry in Nato though.

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I am very confused by your comment. Are you saying Putin never said that, or are you saying he was lying?

From Putin’s actual mouth:

ON DECISION TO LAUNCH ‘SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION’

“We saw military infrastructure being ramped up, hundreds of military advisers working and regular deliveries of modern weapons from NATO. (The level of) danger was increasing every day. Russia preventively rebuffed the aggressor. It was necessary, timely and … right. The decision of a sovereign, strong, independent country.”

Just to be clear, he definitely said that, but he was definitely lying.

(source: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-speaks-victory-day-parade-moscows-red-square-2022-05-09/)

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NATO not the UN, Russia isn’t a member.

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Who gave Russia a veto at NATO?

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Turkey 🇹🇷.

/s

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Erdoğan would if he could

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SO UN FAIR!

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That’s 20 billion per year. The EU’s alone defense spending for 2023 was 270bil. This is not a lot of money.

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The EU has no defense budget, the member countries have.

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Except there’s no real common strategy behind it, so it’s pointless to look at it as a single defense budget.

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Obviously.

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Yeah, this is less the cavalry is here and more “we’ve committed 3 peanuts, which is better than no peanuts”. It’s probably enough to help Ukraine a bit, assuming they can agree to it and fund it as committed.

It’s unclear if this is humanitarian, non-lethal or general military aid, from the non-paywalled section of the article.

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I get your point about how it compares relatively. But I beg to differ that $100 billion is not a lot of money

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221 days until the next U.S. presidential election

Can Ukraine hold on that long?

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If Republicans have a majority in Congress, they’ll continue to support Russia.

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something theyre extremely near losing before next election

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Who is the US is actually supporting Russia?

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Not certain if trolling or just unfamiliar, but Republicans politicians are doing what they can to not get in Russia’s way or doing things that benefit Russia. For instance, Republicans aren’t really supporting providing additional funding to Ukraine. Republicans have also used an FBI informant who was bribed by Russia as evidence to try to impeach Joe Biden.

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That would be the MAGA (bowel) movement.

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Literally the entire GOP with standouts like Greene going far as to say we should cut all aid to Ukraine and shift to helping Russia. The entire right wing of our government took the red too literally and jumped in bed with former Soviet agents for a pocket full of rubles.

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Five years? They need $100 billion at least monthly! It’s ridiculous the way Republicans treat these innocent people

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I know NATO doesn’t have unlimited resources, but given that this is an explicit proxy war with Russia, doesn’t $100bn seem kind of paltry? That makes it appear that they’re planning on continuing cash infusions from the US.

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EDIT: I’m saying that the US can’t be relied on to continue supporting the war effort because the GOP in particular has become increasingly opposed to funding it.

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It’d be so much better for everyone if we just took all of the funding going to Israel and redirected it to Ukraine. And then we nuke Israel or smthn idk

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Chaotic good?

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This thing has already been going on for 2 years and Russia isn’t pulling out. It’s a war of attrition. First side to blink loses. NATO cannot lose Ukraine to Russia. Period.

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might be chump change for you but likely its tied to Ukraine’s conceivable ability to pay down such debt. although in reality it would likely be mostly written off when things quiet down… especially since the moneys would be mostly spent on NATO military goods.

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Well IIRC, for America, the funding money amount for Ukraine is usually just an estimate of the worth of already manufactured goods, mainly of weapons that we have stored that we weren’t gonna use in the first place, and only a small portion of the dollar amount is stuff like clothes, food, etc. which would be seen as an actual cost to the US. We have sent Bradleys and M1 Abrams (and some European countries sent Leopard 2A4s? and Leclercs I think), but I’m pretty sure they weren’t in use by the military and weren’t planned to be upgraded for use any time soon (but I’m just guessing, I can’t Google it rn, I may just be completely wrong on that).

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Maybe a little. The US had a bill for providing 60bn so 100bn is quite a bit more, though maybe not significantly considering all the countries involved.

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We can do both.

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