Just outside St. Louis, in the inner-ring suburb of University City, there’s a little neighborhood often called the region’s unofficial Chinatown. Growing up in the area, it was one of my favorite places to be; reflective of the city’s diversity and vitality, it opened up the world to me. This past December, when I went home for the holidays, I discovered that what was once a beloved strip of immigrant- and minority-owned businesses there — a Korean grocery, a pho shop, a Jamaican joint with vegetarian options, a Black-owned barber shop — had been bulldozed and replaced by a double-lane drive-through Chick-fil-A.
“Drive-throughs have been around a long time,” Charles Marohn, a former traffic engineer and well-known critic of America’s car-dependent urban planning, told me. Today, he said, “they’re becoming bigger and more obnoxious.”
That trend conflicts with a key objective that US cities are increasingly prioritizing: creating a safer, cleaner, walkable, livable urban environment that’s less dependent on cars. St. Louis and its suburbs, for example, in recent years have been building out bike lanes and walking and biking paths, including a segment that runs right up to the site of the new fried chicken and Chipotle drive-throughs. Where, exactly, are the people walking or biking that path supposed to go when they arrive at a development designed to be navigated only by car?
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Lol a fuckin drivethroughs. They are for the lazy. Nothing more. They aren’t faster by any means.
The amount of times I pull up to some place, laugh at the lazy people in a car lineup, walk inside, order my food and go back to my car and see the same cars STILL in the line. Makes me literally laugh out loud.
Same with those dumb screens to order from too…people fumbling around doing someone else’s job. Walk to the cash, ask for my food and I’m in and out faster then the people already inside. Lol, it’s sad the way people think.
Drive throughts could have been a good thing except people order huge swaths of junk from them which just delays everything and makes everyone waste gas etc… hilarious.
Clearly you haven’t been to Tim Hortons. I hate drive throughs so I always go inside to make my purchase. And then I stand there for ages while 6+ staff work the drive through and one staff serves customers inside. So annoying.
I assume people using the drive through are typically regulars and spend a hell of a lot more money there than I do.
I’ve only had fast food once in the last 4 years (thank you, Covid, for breaking that habit), but the only time I’d use the drive-thru was for breakfast.
Drive throughts could have been a good thing except people order huge swaths of junk from them which just delays everything and makes everyone waste gas etc… hilarious.
This. Every time I’d drive through for a quick biscuit and coffee on my way to work, I would always, 100% of the time, get stuck behind the Clampetts ordering the breakfast smorgasbord with at least a 10 minute wait. If you’re going to order that much, go inside. End rant. lol
I drive a taxi. If it wasn’t for drive-thrus I’d be living like exclusively on gas station food at work.
I don’t understand. It’s usually faster to park, walk in, place your order, and walk out. Why would being a taxi driver name a difference? You’ll be back on the road making money faster if you don’t wait in the ridiculous drive through line.
I don’t go to my town’s McDonalds very often, as I’m just not a fan of the food. But on the rare occasions I’ve been with a friend, finding a free space in the microscopic car park (which is shared with a half-dozen other businesses) has been a nightmare. I can see why people would opt for the drive-through instead.
Here’s a receipt i got today ordering through their ios app in northwest US:
You walk in and order that you’re paying a heckin’ lot more. The app is a big-deals-for-data discount and i’ll take it.
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That trend conflicts with a key objective that US cities are increasingly prioritizing: creating a safer, cleaner, walkable, livable urban environment that’s less dependent on cars.
Some brands that have long offered traditional drive-throughs, like Chick-fil-A and Taco Bell, are adding dedicated lanes for mobile orders made in advance — part of what’s causing mega drive-throughification.
The more fundamental problem, as Minicozzi sees it, is the system that allows and even encourages developers and big business to waste so much precious land on economically unproductive sprawl, ultimately forcing the public to pay for it in the form of road maintenance.
Americans spend much of their days traversing non-places — settings for the movement and storage of cars rather than for humans to linger — making social connection “exhaustingly difficult,” as Muizz Akhtar put it in Vox, and contributing to our loneliness epidemic.
“A good part of any day in Los Angeles is spent driving, alone, through streets devoid of meaning to the driver,” Joan Didion wrote in 1989 of the consistently temperate region that somehow represents the apotheosis of car dependence and drive-throughs.
But big city restrictions may not end up mattering much, Klein told me, because the fast food industry sees its future in regions that are friendlier to the drive-through style of development.
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