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And just like that, conservatism was outlawed.

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Only if they can blame black people for it.

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Cool beans!

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NVM, I see what you meant.

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conservatism

Consevationism, there’s so many other aspects of conservativism than conservationism, the capitalists/right wingers aren’t going to hurt themselves by outlawing all of conservativism.

Conservativism also touches on race, religion, economics, and others that are unique or spawned by the main tenets of conservativism.

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Conservationism is not in any way a part of modern conservatism. Conservatives hate everything about conservation of nature.

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Conservative != conservationist.

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Start by taking away private jets and private flights from rich people. As all laws do, this one will also apply only to regular and poor people, not even big companies and certainly not for rich. Just look at what Musk is doing to nature reserve nears his launch pad. He was warned, didn’t get launch permissions, doesn’t have permission for letting untreated water into ground from cooling… and yet he does all that and no one bats and eye. Just look at the main page of Lemmy and you’ll see news of some dude flying alone in 747 because he can. Royal family has been known to fly across the ocean to get lunch.

I meant you can live as carefully as possible, walk everywhere, never fly a plane and live only on solar for multiple lives and you couldn’t offset what they fuck up in a day.

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A lot of launches would be more safely done at sea or in the high desert than in coastal areas close to population centers.

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We’re well beyond the point of industrial activity being done “more safely.” Either it stops entirely, or everything collapses before the turn of the next century.

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Okay then, we just build Lofstrom loops and run them on nuclear reactors. Launch materials to put a solar shade up in a Lagrange point to cool the planet down until we stop all fossl fuel use and sequester enough CO2 when it is no longer needed. Construct the shade out of millions of smaller mirrors so that we can move mirrors away slowly over time so as to sync with the lowering CO2 levels.

Those loops only cost like $10 billion. That’s like a third of NASA’s yearly budget.

It’s not pie in the sky or some dumbass excuse to give the ruling class an out on climate change. Actually, the opposite – with cheap access to space, we will have access to near unlimited solar energy so we won’t need fossil fuels anymore, we can mine NEAs for metals making surface mining unnecessary, and actually build the Jetsonian post scarcity future our abusers promised us and failed to deliver on.

We really don’t have a choice anyway – we don’t have access to enough resources down here to make any of that happen, and without the solar shade no surface-only effort to stop climate collapse will work anyhow since the temperature will go up without it no matter what we do down here.

So we are left with a choice to kickstart human expansion into space or allow the biosphere to collapse. Grow or die. I say we grow.

Sauce: Wiki - OG paper

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Is the Saudi royal family’s emissions offset by planting 10 billion trees?

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-sees-fields-green-with-major-tree-planting-drive-2021-03-27/

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“Plans to” and actually planted those trees are two different things. But that would be a great solution. Wood is a renewable material, easy to work with and most importantly keeps carbon trapped until its burned or rotten. In other words, plant trees, make stuff with wood.

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No, carbon offsetting doesnt work. Only actual emission reduction

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The least educated take on carbon offsetting.

Did you know that US EPA considers forestry management as an emissions sink?

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Carbon offset isn’t real.

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All the rich would be arrested

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No, they’d be able to afford the best lawyers. It’s the poor who would be punished the most. We already have fines for not recycling properly, even though the rubbish all gets mixed back together in Turkey or China and burned anyway. We have to use soggy paper straws with our drinks while the rich blanket the atmosphere in burned fuel from the private jets.

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Thats a true revolutionary cry. But since being “rich” is quite a relative term, you might wake up in the realization that most of the world considers you rich and your lifestyle complicit in the mass destruction of the global environment.

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That’s quite the stretch. Don’t regulate the rich cause we might be caught up?

I don’t take private flights from one side of a city to another. I don’t own a yacht (or 6). I don’t own a fleet of vehicles with a staff that drives them around. I don’t throw away more food than most people eat. I don’t horde dozens of acres of land that contain nothing but wasteful lawn.

There’s a pretty stark contrast between the ultra wealthy, and the vast majority of people living in highly developed countries.

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When people get in a rage about “the rich”, those kinds of distinctions generally go out the window.

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This is a form of slippery slope fallacy. Rich in this context refers to portion of society contributing to pollution on a massively higher scale than even an upper middle class American. How many ‘rich’ Americans regularly fly private jets or take yachts? How many average joes own and operate a cruise line or a refinery?

I think with regards to poorer people in other countries, they’d be on the same page with 99.99% of Americans about who’s considered so rich that they alone pose a threat to global health.

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No, we would just abolish corporations

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They should but never will, Laws don’t apply for rich people and even if, jail would BE to good for them

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Not like we punish war criminals that strictly either…

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L m a o

This. Everything looks so tasty on paper tho!

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Yeahhhh I don’t wanna shit on anyone’s day but this is entirely unenforceable.

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