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159 points

RSS. It’s still around but slowly dying out. I feel like it only gets added to new websites because the programmers like it.

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27 points

Theres quite a few sites that still use it and existing ones in the Fediverse have it built in (which is really cool). But your right, the general public have no concept of having something download and queue up on a service rather than just going to the site. And the RSS clients are all over the place with quality…

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24 points

90% of the bullshit mass emails at my work could be an RSS feed.

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8 points

“THIS WHOLE MEETING COULD HAVE BEEN AN RSS FEED!”

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16 points

WebSub (formerly PubSubHubbub). Should have been a proper replacement for RSS with push support instead of polling. Too bad the docs were awful and adopting it as an end user was so difficult that it never caught on.

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2 points

I still want something push based (without paying for those rss as a service)

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4 points

It’s part of the RSS 2.0 standard. Of course it requires adoption by feed publishers.

rssCloud

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I wouldn’t say that it never caught on. I run a feed reader and ~6% of feeds have WebSub. Most of these are probably wordpress.com blogs which include it by default.

YouTube also sort of supports it, but they don’t really follow the standard so I don’t think it counts.

But the nice thing about WebSub is that it is sort of an invisible upgrade to the existing feed (or any other HTTP URI) so it just works when blogs enable it.

Most major feed reader services support it. One problem is that you need a stable URL to receive the notifications. So it is hard to make work with client-side readers. But I don’t think there is really a way around this other than holding a connection open to every feed you follow. So I would say that it does its job well. I don’t really see a need to get to 100% adoption or whatever. If you have a simple static-site blog that updates every month or so I don’t think it is a big deal that it doesn’t support WebSub.

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14 points
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It’s seen its renneisance recently

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4 points

How so? Outside very niche stuff or podcasts I just don’t seem to it used that often.

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6 points

Most websites still use standard back ends with RSS support. Even static site generators also do it. The only difficulty is user discovery.

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2 points

Sadly so many rss feeds are just the first paragraph and not the whole article

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11 points

I wish more websites would use RSS Feeds. :-(

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96 points

IPv6. Lack of IPv4 addresses it’s a problem, specially in poorer countries. But still lots of servers and ISPs don’t support it natively. And what is worse. Lots of sysadmins don’t want to learn it.

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41 points

Am sysadmin, can confirm I don’t wanna learn it.

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7 points

Also a sysasmin, really don’t wanna learn it…or have to type it on the daily

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1 point

not a sysadmin, but i admin a system or two, have yet to learn it myself, but will eventually learn it.

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My university recently had Internet problems, where the DHCP only leased Out ipv6 addresses. For two days, we could all see which sites implemented ipv6 and which didn’t.

Many big corpo sites like GitHub or discord Apperently don’t. Small stuff like my personal website or https://suikagame.com do.

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19 points

github is so stupid with that, it’s actually funny

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4 points

That’s a fun little game there!

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21 points

Lots of really large sites are horribly misconfigured. I had intermittent issues because one of the edge hosts in Netflix ‘s round robin dns did not do MTU discovery properly.

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16 points

IPv6 is great, but NAT is quite functional and is prolonging the demise of IPv4.

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6 points

My isp decided to put me behind a CGNAT and broke my access to my network from outside my network. Wanted to charge me $5 a month to get around it. It’s not easy to get around for a layman, but possible. More than anything it just pissed me off that I’d have to pay for something that 1 day ago was free.

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4 points

How can you bypass CGNAT?

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1 point

NAT is functional as long as you like NAT, which im pretty sure nobody likes, so uh.

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0 points

Plenty of people like NAT.

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24 points

You can have that with ipv6, too.

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19 points

NAT is not for security, that’s what the firewall is for. Nobody can access your IPv6 network unless you allow access through the firewall.

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15 points

Found the guy that does not want to learn IPv6!

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14 points

You’re thinking of a firewall. NAT is just the thing that makes a connection appear to come from an IP on the internet when it’s really coming from your router, and it’s not needed with IPv6. But you would not see any difference with IPv6 without it.

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2 points

No. Stop spreading that myth. NAT does fuck all for security. If you want a border gateway, you can just have a border gateway.

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1 point

you know what is more secure? Not being connected to the internet.

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9 points

Say this to my very large Canadian ISP who still doesn’t support IPv6 for residential customers. Last I checked, adoption in Canada was still under 50%.

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4 points

50%?? I fucking wish. In Spain we are at 5%. I finally got IPv6 in my phone this year, but I want it in my home, which is still only available as IPv4 even if they’re the same ISP.

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Markdown. Its only in tech-spaces that its preferred, but it should be used everywhere. You can even write full books and academic papers in markdown (maybe with only a few extensions like latex / mathjax).

Instead, in a lot of fields, people are passing around variants of microsoft word documents with weird formatting and no standardization around headings, quotes, and comments.

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51 points

Markdown is terrible as a standard because every parser works differently and when you try to standardize it (CommonMark, etc.), you find out that there are a bajillion edge cases, leading to an extremely bloated specification.

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25 points

Agreed in principle, but in practice, I find it’s rarely a problem.

While editing, we pick an export tool for all editors and stick to it.

Once the document is stable, we export it to HTML or PDF and it’ll be stable forever.

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11 points

Most ppl have settled on Commonmark luckily, including us.

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15 points

Commonmark leaves some stuff like tables unspecified. That creates the need for another layer like GFM or mistletoe. Standardization is not a strong point for markdown.

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Have you read the CommonMark specification? It’s very complex for a language that’s supposed to be lightweight.

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20 points

Man, I’ve written three novels plus assorted shorter form stories in markdown.

There’s a learning curve, but once you get going, it’s so fluid. The problem is that when it comes time to format for release, you have to convert to something else, and not every word processor can handle markdown. It’s extra work, but worth it, imo.

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8 points

Just set up pandoc and Bob’s your uncle. It’ll convert markdown to anything. You’ll never have to open another word processor.

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Nice! Thanks for the tip!

Edit: holy shit, how have I never run across that before? That’s a brilliant program right there.

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5 points

For sure, I bet full fledged editors like word don’t even let you import it.

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2 points

Not correctly, no. Librewriter does a bit better, but still misses some bits

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1 point

Silly question why can’t you convert markdown to PDF and pass that to publishers?

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4 points

Because it isn’t doc is docx.

Publishers are pissy about such things. Even self publishing (which is what I do now), the various outlets still have limits to what they will use. Amazon accepts something like three file formats, including their own, and pdf isn’t on the list.

I could just do pdf for directly giving them away to people, but even then, epub is usually a better pick in terms of readability since that’s the standard for actual books since ereaders tend to display it better than pdfs. Most people reading books via files would be using something that can give a better experience with epub vs pdf.

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11 points

I think Obsidian and Logseq are helping to change this.

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7 points

Depends on the type of book. Since you need HTML for all non default styles. Therefore, it raises the bar… you need a bit of web dev knowledge which removes the biggest benefit of markdown: simplicity / ease of use.

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Markdown is awesome, I agree! I did not realize you could extend markdown with anything other than html. The html extension is quite nice to do anything that markdown doesn’t support natively, but I wish there was an easier way to extend markdown. Maybe the ones you listed are what I need.

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1 point

Hedgedoc / hackmd support a good amount of extensions out of the box. I think typora and obsidias do also (but not open source).

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6 points

I frigging love markdown for everything!

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3 points

My main wishlist for markdown, is a better live collaborative markdown editor. Hedgedoc works, but it’s showing it’s age, and they don’t seem to be getting close to releasing v2.

Etherpad also has a markdown extension, but it doesn’t import / export that well.

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4 points

I agree 💯

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4 points

It is too basic. I guess something more full-fledged like… typst?

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2 points

Typst is a typesetting format - an alternative to LaTeX. Asciidoc is more of a competitor to markdown.

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1 point

Learning that currently.

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2 points

ReST (restructured text) is a good middle ground. I just wish it had more support outside of the python community. It could use some new/better tooling than Sphinx

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73 points

Unified Push.

Unbelievable that we have to rely on Google and co for sth as essential as push messages! Even among the open source community, the adoption is surprisingly limited.

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32 points

Nobody knows about unifiedpush. Last time I checked, their Linux dbus distributor also wasn’t ready. There has to be a unified push to get it adopted.

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Fuck Unified Push. Just use the Web Push standard. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8030

It is what is used for browser push messages, is already widely supported. Is compatible with existing push infrastructure and users and is end-to-end encrypted. IDK why Unified Push felt the need to create a new protocol when a perfectly good one already existed.

Although there is no “client side” spec. The Unified Push client side could be useful. But they should throw away their custom backend protocol and just use Web Push.

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69 points

IPv6

I mean, why the hell is IPv4 still a thing??

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9 points

Because ipv6 is yucky

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Yeah I’m anti IPv6 so I’m not going to ever use it personally. Ipv4 is enough for me

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4 points

It may be enough for you, but not for everybody.

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3 points

go ahead and use that on your home network, but if you work in IT and deploy it on public networks i’m going to kick you in the nuts

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8 points

Because SecOps still thinks NAT is security, and NetOps is decidedly against carrying around that stupid tradition.

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2 points

You can even Nat still if you want too lol

That said have you looked at securing ipv6 networks?It can be a lot of new paridgms that need to be secured.

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bruh you could just use dyndns on ipv6 and call it a day, even more secure than ipv4 with NAT. lmao.

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4 points

I hear you on this! Took me a whole day to get my router to delegate IPv6 properly. I’m sure that had it been better adopted, I wouldn’t be having such a hard time.

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2 points

Try to remember a handful of them

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28 points

In the world of computers, why would remembering numbers be the stop for new technologies?

Do you remember anyone’s public key? Certificate?

I don’t even remember domain (most) names, just Google them or save them as bookmarks or something.

The reason IPv4 still exists is because ISPs benefit from its scarcity. Big ISPs already paid a lot of money to own IPv4 addresses, if they switched to IPv6 that investnywould be worthless.

Try selling static IPv6 addresses as they do now with IPv4. People would laugh at them and just get a free IPv6 address from an ISP that wants to get new users and doesn’t charge for it.

The longer ISPs delay the adoption of IPv6, the longer they can milk IPv4 scarcity.

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3 points

I don’t even remember my old ICQ UIN. People usually do that.

So yes, bring in IPv6.

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2 points

Which ISPs offer IPv6 for free?
Asking for a friend.

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2 points

On the Internet, no. On my home LAN? Absolutely. I disabled all IPv6 at home.

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2 points

damn if only we had a service that like, obfuscated and abstracted these hard to remember IPs that aren’t very user friendly, and turned them into something more usable. That would be cool i think. Someone should make that.

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2 points

Some kind of name system surely.

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2 points

For what?

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2 points

Shortening rules actually make IPv6 addresses easier to remember than IPv4. Just don’t use auto configuration.

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::1

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1 point

That’s just one loopback address.

I could list 2^24 IPv4 loopback addresses.

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