- Home Assistant is now part of the Open Home Foundation, a non-profit aiming to fight against surveillance capitalism and offer privacy, choice, and sustainability.
- The foundation will own and govern all Home Assistant entities, including the cloud, and has plans for new hardware and AI integration.
- Home Assistant aims to become a mainstream smart home option with a focus on privacy and user control, while also expanding partnerships and certifications.
Is HA not already the mainstream option for privacy and user control? Maybe I just live in a bubble, but it seems like it’s already the go-to if you care about those things.
I took it to mean they’re going to put it in prettier packaging, simplifying its use for the average Joe.
I have been using it for years and still find some things confusing. Like idk why it’s so hard to figure out how to customize the dashboard and create new widgets for it. I’ve been a professional web dev for 8 years and if I’m struggling with it, you can bet most people aren’t even going to bother. Idk what’s so hard about providing simple html, css, and js like every other web framework.
Because it’s either full-auto, or full-manual, with no wiggle room in between. That being said, they have made the right moves in hiring the right people in the community to be ICs on the project to fix stuff like this, and they are killing it. Ex: they hired the Rhasspy dev a year ago, and he has already revamped the entire voice assist workflow in HA. Great work.
yeah nothing ever makes me feel stupider than my home assistant, which half-works for random reasons, even though like, I can actually develop things. Woe unto anyone wading into that without any coding background/inclination or interest. I hadn’t really ever encountered YAML before working with HA (I’ve been using HA now for like 6 or 7 years I just realized).
I love my HA dashboard but it took seemingly far too much effort to get it sensible. I had to know how to ssh in and edit a locked YAML file and create new template sensors just so I could have some temperature sensors show as “50” instead of “50.0028472” or some shit.
I think they fixed that in an update though. But there’s always something that requires multiple extra layers of digging around.
I’m totally cool with that. Even as a more technically-minded user, I see a lot of things that could be way more streamlined.
Yeah I’m not using it yet, partly because I’m not at the home server level of Linux competency, but I do want to move towards it at some point
For technical people… Yes.
For people who aren’t that technical? No.
Don’t get me wrong, the Home Assistant Green and SkyConnect dongle is great and massively makes maintenance for the regular joe easier (no pis or other hardware that loads from the SD/hardware considerations).
But some stuff in UX would have to improve, which it already is doing ofcourse.
You would need to make touching a config file non existent. They’ve improved this over time, but not quite there I imagine.
It’s especially true when it comes to things like HACS. I love HA but I’ve also told everyone I know that, if I die, rip all that shit out and replace all the “smart” stuff with regular stuff.
As a technical person working in tech, I’ve heard of home assistant but only ever spoken to one or maybe two people that have actually tried it. It doesn’t seem that mainstream. Meanwhile, every smartphone has a proprietary assistant built in.
The assistant in your phone is not the same as home assistant.
Home assistant is mostly used to group all your smart home stuff and create automations.
Being a technical person myself, most people I know want to try it but don’t have the use for it due to living in appartments.
I run it in a docker container and it works great.
For others, beware that in a docker, each plugin needs its own docker container.
I run everything in docker except for HA which I run in a VM (HaOS) which makes it super easy to use.
Edit: by plugins I meant add-ons
I think the wording is off.
Many or most add-ons need their own docker containers, that is what the add-ons are.
Every integration does not need its own docker container.
each plugin needs its own docker container.
What are you talking about? This is simply not true.
No it’s true. I run ha in a docker container too, and it doesn’t support the plugin supervisor at all. You have to spin up your own plugin containers manually and configure the connection to them in the core ha instance, that’s what I did with piper/wyoming. I’d be happy to share a compose file if someone wants it.
To become mainstream the install process for a fully featured setup needs massive work.
You can buy preinstalled hardware like the Home Assistant Green if you aren’t up for it. I don’t think you can really make it much simpler without just selling the hub itself.
I’m still confused by the different versions of HA. Does that version include all of the features? Or is it the basic install that’s easiest to install?
Yes home assistant green comes preinstalled with everything you need, you can use addons, etc. Just buy it, plug it in and start going. There aren’t really “basic” and “advanced” versions of HA. There’s just some that have addons and others where you do the addons yourself as docker containers. But all of them have the same HA features.
Yeah, that’s all Alexa and Google have on home assistant. Not to mention that sometimes you have to write yaml to create automations.
You think my grandma fucks with Google Home or Apple Homekit?
Not everyone is up to the task anyway.
I’ve recently switched to the VM instead of the docker, the setup is so easy if you fail at that you shouldn’t be doing anything with it to begin with.
You can buy pre-installed devices which are essentially plug-and-play
I like the idea of Home Assistant. I just can’t be arsed to set it up.
I was of the same mindset for a long time; SmartThings, Hue and Google Home all worked well enough together to do what I wanted. But holy shit, Home Assistant is on another level and I only wish I’d installed it sooner.
The only real downside is that it makes home automation somewhat addictive and, by extension, expensive. I spend quite a lot of my time thinking about how to automate more of the things, and have a never ending list of stuff that I want to add to my setup.
Oh it’s not as bad as your making it. My water sensors were only about $20 - $30 shipped and I mean if you’re going to make an order you might as well get that $30 z wave extender so the fence gate sensors I spent $40 on have good coverage. I pair those with about $100 in temperature and humidity sensors for the attic, garage and freezers. I mean I needed to justify the SDR I picked up for like $45 you know. My $20 garage opener has also made life that much simpler. Wait how much have I spent already?
By any chance are you using Matter in your home? If so, does HA handle that well?
Matter doesn’t yet matter, but HA really Matters
One of the great features about HA is the flexibility to handle just about anything. I really don’t have any Matter devices, except Apple specific, but those are very gradually appearing. I have both Zigbee and z-wave meshes for local control, but can easily add a Thread radio (or my Zigbee one can supposedly be re-flashed). The foundations are mostly there, the flexibility and integrations are there: we just need the standard to mature and the devices to appear, but HA is a great start
Matter very much seems to be the “there are 14 competing standards” joke personified.
If you’re down on the “editing YAML until you’re blue in the face” part, they’ve pretty much transitioned entirely to a good UI for that. Going into the yaml is rare now. I was of the same opinion a year or so ago, but tried it and it’s improved immensely in the last year for configuring things. There’s room left for improvement, but it’s usable now.
Can’t wait to ditch Google Home. Nothing to do with their warmongering. Just hate that the assistant is such a dumb bitch.
Thankfully someone is going to make a localish smart speaker.
