Sometimes I struggle to convey what continues to fascinate me about dezentraly organized social media - its like explaining to someone who never played Go why its awesome who never played it.

And what I would usually recommend is (in the case of Go): watch hikaru no go (popular Go anime). I could teach them the rules, but to capture the spirit of it, I would also need to spend hours playing it with them. So instead, I give them an awesome series, which conveys the drama, fights, frustrations through story.

Would that also work for the fediverse? Sometimes I tend to get lost in technical details and how it tries to solve problems about moderation without conveing any of the daily drama and excitement I have - so what would be a good series/film/anime/book/comic that could convey this? Or do we need to create it?

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If I were you, I’d stop trying to explain one thing that I’m struggling to explain using the other thing I’m struggling to explain as an analogy.

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But they are similar problems and I assumed the overall problem is very familiar to people around here

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Ok, let me try again. I think people forget the mental shift that it takes to join a federated network. And I think you cannot convey that in a simple analogy. People are so used to a central power behind their social media that they don’t even understand the concept of having a social network with no one defining the rules. Its simply not part of their world view. And to open them up for this kind of mindset is hard.

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I don’t think that this is entirely true. Every instance has admins, communities have admins and moderators too. They define and enforce rules, make decisions and perform maintenance. It’s not that different from centralized platforms with the exception that there’s no common higher authority.

I’d use something that people are already familiar with: emails are the most common example. But maybe people could imagine a world, where users on Facebook could see posts and interact with people from Twitter and vice versa. Platforms are different, owners are different, but people in this hypothetical scenario could communicate with each other. That’s much more relevant to modern world than emails and probably not that hard to imagine.

Fediverse is like that, but you can also pay $5 for a server and start your own Facebook.

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Imagine a bunch of separate web forums each with their own management and policies. We have all used those. Now imagine that they are loosely connected to each other behind the scenes, so you can cross-post between them, if the admins are willing. That’s not too hard to understand, imho.

There is occasional minor drama when there are cultural differences between two forums (say a leftwing vs a rightwing political forum) and the admins get upset and start interfering with the backend connectivity (defederating other instances) because they don’t like what members of the other forum are saying. That drama is not an attractive feature of the fediverse, but rather the opposite. Anyway, I hope that helps.

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If somone tried to convice me with anime to join the fediverse, I’d never join…

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Then you watched the wrong anime ;)

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Replace anime with DC cartoons.

“There’s this thing called the fediverse. To understand it, watch this episode of Batman. Go ahead, I’ll wait.”

See what the parent poster means?

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I think the only answer here is that we need Japan to create “Hikaru no Lemmy”, where an ancient spirit of a dead Lemmy poster possesses a young boy called Hikaru, who proceeds to amaze the world with some top tier Lemmy posts 😛

Or more seriously, I’m a huge fan of this infographic and share it with people whenever I get asked about Lemmy: https://i.imgur.com/b2QuYAR.png

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Good one indeed!

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Ha ha, good one :D The graphic is also good. I wish there would be one in like a medieval fantasy setting. On the left side you have a mad king who tries to control the whole empire, on the right you have federated states, each with their own community and rules. I think these graphics are great but I wish we would make more use of storytelling: for example, someone growing up in the centralised fantasy kingdom, who then joins federated tribes living in the wild. I think that could also be done with just a few slides.

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One would make sure that it doesn’t get too political though …

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I honestly don’t get what there is to say. Anyone trying to tell me about the dramas of any social network, be it the Fediverse, Twitter, Pinterest or Facebook will have an uphill battle.

The content itself can be interesting, but the platform itself rarely is.

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Good point. But with decentral social media you have to take part in this stuff at least to some degree. Or you are on a very solid instance. Better then to prepare people about this stuff too.

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I usually explain it simply:

“Do you use email?” “Yeh” “It works similar doesn’t matter which provider you choose Proton, G-mail, Yahoo and your mail can go to all of the others.”

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I tell people it’s like signing up for a newsletter with your email, except the newsletter is also your social media feed.

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Right and that explains it well. But it doesn’t exactly get people excited or make them understand what it FEELS like to be part of a federated social network.

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It’s weird that you think people should be excited. This is just a forum for discussion, there’s really nothing exciting about it.

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If there’s too much excitement and drama, something has gone wrong.

I tended to just send people links to communities they might like them follow up with an explanation of what Lemmy is, if asked. Bit boring I know.

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