I partly agree. It’s okay to make fun of just about anyhing as long as it’s not biased(repetitive jokes always agaisnt the same people/group). It feels like nowadays people will be offended by everything. You can make fun of, say, gays, without being agaisnt them. Look at South Park, they’ve made fun of literally every possible group but it feels like so many of these episodes wouldn’t be received well id they came out today.
True comedy doesn’t need a victim. That shitty humor is comedy at its basics. Juxtaposition is universal in animals and recognized as “funny”. Juxtaposition with inherit victims is low class low effort shit posting rage baiting humor. It relies on a weak mind accepting it.
My main point/perspective is all humans posses inherit indestructible dignity and I will fight anyone who fights my fellows on this s Journey we are all taking called life.
Jimmy Carr is makes fun of gay people. He just does it in a funny way without trying to be offensive, so people still like his comedy specials. It helps that he is incredibly self-deprecating and does things like suggest he’s a pedophile.
There are ways to make jokes about sexuality without being mean. That’s the trick.
Thats the thing, comedy hasn’t stopped. Regular people aren’t offended if you make a funny joke about a sensitive topic.
Rob McElhenney from It’s always sunny was just talking about this the other day. They make racist jokes, gay jokes, jokes about abortion, mocking the homeless. There’s a WHOLE episode done a la The Whiz where the gang wakes up in black people’s bodies. You just have to be sure that the joke is told in a way that doesn’t lift it’s message above being just a joke, and that means the person telling it has to be relatively clear on the side of the joke’s subject. You can’t punch down, that’s never been funny.
South Park and it’s always sunny and family guy and those kinds of shows haven’t neutered their jokes, so why do people keep saying that you can’t make fun of anything anymore? The only people I see that say that are parroting comedians like Seinfeld and Chapelle and THEY’RE STILL SELLING TICKETS, so they’re not ‘canceled’ and their livelihoods aren’t affected, so why are they saying they can’t make the jokes they continue to sell tickets for?
South Park and it’s always sunny and family guy and those kinds of shows haven’t neutered their jokes, so why do people keep saying that you can’t make fun of anything anymore?
Because they just want to say racist shit and not have anyone call them out on it, which isn’t quite the same thing.
You can’t punch down
That’s the key difference between conservative bullying and real comedy. Real comedy doesn’t punch down.
I personally disagree, I think comedy punches everywhere, and occasionally those punches land down. Conservative bullying on the other hand, only punches down, over and over.
Dude was dating a 16y old I believe when he was near 40. In fact, if you look at the female secondary cast (like Jerry’s love interests), they all got increasingly more beautiful as the show went on, where he was basically casting models near the end.
Dude is a pedophile but since he was making $1m per show and Hollywood is just a scum bucket, he was featured on People and the media was like awwwww, Seinfeld found love!
This planet tho.
Does it matter? This person has brought this up twice now as if her being 18 makes any fucking difference. He was in his 40s. It’s disgusting.
They’ve certainly killed right-leaning comedians like Seinfeld, Bill Maher, Dennis Miller and (can’t believe he made the list) Dave Chappelle.
Or maybe they killed themselves by just getting even lamer with their unfunny jokes that punch down at marginalized groups. 🤔
That’s weird about this to me, I never would have called Seinfeld right leaning. Like every one of his standups I’ve ever seen is very neutral, and the show was actually pretty progressive for the time. Chapelle did the punching down, got called out on it (rightfully so), and then doubled down and swung to the right because now he’s the victim! But as far as I know, Jerry didn’t do anything (In terms of jokes, ignoring the… youthfulness… issues for the moment) He just decided to bust out with I’m a victim too stop censoring me? Was there any preface to all this?
He didn’t do anything in his comedy shows no. Comedians in cars with coffee got pretty right slanted pretty fuckin quick.
It did? Maybe it’s been a while and I don’t remember but it seemed fine at the time.
OP mentioned 3 prominent Democrats as examples of right-wingers. You can have opinions that aren’t lock-step with whatever the current hot button issues are without being a right-winger. Democrats are supposed to be the more independently thinking party, but we’re seeing a hell of a lot of tribalism these days from both parties. It’s honestly pretty disturbing.
I think it’s just anger about being out of touch. You can’t make comedy in a vacuum, it necessarily draws on contemporary culture, and Jerry’s probably feeling a bit left in the dust. But he frames it in a way where he feels victimized. That’s my reading for most embarrassing or offensive old comedians though, so maybe I’m painting with too broad a brush.
Real problem is that so many basic things, like we should treat each other decently, or that the earth is warming, shouldn’t be political issues. But here we are. And somehow these things become political in conservative circles and thus they are political to liberal circles too.
Now you can’t even say “what’s the deal with airline food” because even that gets political. Greenhouse gas emissions from flying planes, vegetarian and kosher options in flight, paper straws, airline bailouts, take your pick of where to go next, all political.
Man I don’t think it’s fair for Chappelle to be on the list. I wouldn’t even call him right-leaning, but in today’s sociopolitical landscape, anything not left-leaning is by default right-leaning and all centrists or near-neutrals are closet fascists who want to pick the worst candidate at all times because that’s what their satanic cult taught them to do, according to social science graduates. Just like how unprovoked hatred towards men or whites is never sexist or racist because men were historically oppressors.
The court of public opinion really do be wil’in sometimes frfr but hey I guess at least they have some science to back them up…
Anyway, as always, downvote and insult away, idgaf about ur opinion or whether mine digress’ from the status quo
edit: all this said, I never found Chappelle funny and his social commentary was hit/miss
Yeah the Dave Chappelle one came way outta right field lol that PIC with Taylor majore Greene idk how to spell it was unexpected or I’m uninformed
Since when is Dennis Miller a right winger? Bill Maher has always been a vocal member of the Democratic party.
I seem to remember Maher seeming more leftist at some point, but that might be because of his unabashed atheism. He’s always been insufferably arrogant though.
He’s a leftist that doesn’t like PC culture or identity politics. He does believe in equality, inclusion, and those sorts of principles, but he doesn’t agree with the way we’re going about seeking those things.
Both seemed to have turned recently. Both of them in recent stand up specials they’ve released since 2019 have said, on stage, they are Republicans and expressed views consistent with that in their routines. It was a shock to me, considering I remember them being very anti-conservative back in the 90’s.
They said they’re Republicans, or they expressed viewpoints that people considered to be aligned with Republicans?
Jerry Seinfeld has never been considered a controversial comic. His jokes are all very tame observational humor. If he’s complaining he’s getting canceled by the “woke mob” (whatever the fuck that’s supposed to mean), it’s probably not for that reason. Either his material just isn’t funny or he’s being genuinely bigoted/racist and trying to hide it behind a smokescreen of comedic license.
He did his part thats for sure. I never thought he was remotely funny. How that show he had made it past season 1 is the question.