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He’s in a lose/lose situation now.

He can keep supporting Israel and lose the support of the younger voters he so desperately needs.

OR:

He can reverse course, let Bibi twist in the wind, causing him to lose all support from the pro-Israel lobby, and be met with “yeah, but you didn’t do it soon enough” from the younger voters.

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I’m pretty sure the youth is more receptive to not funding genocide with tax dollars than you make it out to seem

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They aren’t though. See the complaints about the economy. The youth vote is very vocal, but they don’t have the money to make up for lost donations from the Pro-Israel PAC.

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It’s this mentality that will give the US another Trump presidency. If you are worried about losing money from a Pro-Israel PAC because you won’t stop aiding an active genocide, you aren’t fit to make decisions for a major country. Not aiding genocide is kinda important. And yes, the economy sucks for students and the working class. That’s why they don’t want to send bombs (with their tax dollars) to Israel, when the people here need the funding more.

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They aren’t though. See the complaints about the economy.

We should keep supporting genocide because gaslighting the poor hasn’t worked?

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Third option is: you’re misusing our armaments, and we won’t give you more.

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They can. Satisfies both sides. Why do you think they’re also opening up borders to refugees? It’s so dumb and insane, but seems to be the path.

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There’s a big difference between fully sanctioning israel or providing any form of pushback

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I just want to point out the latter has been a narrative for decades and “younger voters” just keep getting older with it. It’s also completely hypothetical because listening to anyone younger than Boomers hasn’t been tried.

I’m in my 40s, I vote reliably, I voted for Biden in 2020 to give him a chance. As long as Biden is continuing to ship weapons to Israel I won’t be voting for him again.

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As long as the Israel lobby is pumping millions into the political system and you aren’t, yes, nobody is going to listen to you.

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Then it’s game over. We lost.

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You can demonize the current president over one issue that is overseas, or you can not vote or vote for the other guy who will not accomplish anything but Israel support and worse.

Weigh what has been accomplished vs your issue vs the alternatives and vote accordingly.

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So that’s American tax dollars that could go to funding things that actually impact Americans directly.

Maintaining peace in the Middle East is important- and the one of the most egregious arguments before all this happened is to provide leverage to keep Israel…. From doing … this.

The reality is that argument is a lie. The war in gaza has set back the goal of peace in the Middle East by decades. Maybe even centuries, while bringing us inexorably closer to WW3.

If Biden reverse course now… he has a chance. If he stays the angry old Zionist, though… he’s going to lose in November.

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We should all vote for Biden. Biden should stop supporting genocide.

And I get that you want to paint everyone who doesn’t support Netanyahu’s genocide as ignorant children, but it’s just not so. Abuse is not a substitute for defensible positions.

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You could vote for the guy who thinks WiFi gives you leaky brain and vaccines open portals to hell instead. That’d show everyone!

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The most fascinating thing about blue MAGATs is how they keep peddling this narrative that leftists will vote for Trump.

None of the leftist discourse online I have ever seen has embraced this idea. Admittedly I never see lemmygrad posts due to instance.

So in your worst case, a fringe group of like 3000 hardcore Putin supporters will maybe vote Trump for fun. The West has fallen.

Maybe when your only talking point is “it’s just a little genocide”, it’s time to reflect.

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I was actually joking about people throwing their vote away on RFK. Because with FPTP our choices are assisting with genocide or committing genocide and the murder of political rivals.

I’m not defending anyone. I think what’s happening is fucking reprehensible. The alternative happens to be way fucking worse. And until we can get ranked choice, STAR, or some other voting method that better reflects the will of the people that’s how it’s going to be. All the name calling and progressive purity tests in the world won’t change that.

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If only we had some clue as to how the other guy would handle the protests… oh yeah, we kind of do:

Peaceful Protesters Tear-Gassed To Clear Way For Trump Church Photo-Op

Trump threatens military force against protesters nationwide

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Not only that, he said recently that these protests wouldn’t be happening if he was in the White House. His positions on Palestine and left-leaning protests have not exactly been subtle.

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Absolutely protest in order to try to bring about policy changes. But when it comes time to elect leadership, do it wisely.

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Sounds like people should be protesting for electoral reform so they can vote for the candidate that represents them best, while still counting their vote against the republicans.

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Stop funding Israel’s genocide seems like an easy sensible option. That’s kinda straightforward

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But…. But, we can’t do that!

it’s a antisemitic to not fund genocide! The genocidal maniac said so.

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Someone tell Biden there is actually a really easy solution.

Stop arms exports to israel.

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