Police and private security throng every entrance but one. Steel barriers line the streets. Students pack up belongings in their cars and leave for home - classes are cancelled, and exam plans are up in the air.

Everywhere there is gloom, and uncertainty about what happens next at Columbia University.

Students told the BBC that the university’s decision to call in police to clear a Gaza protest late on Tuesday, leading to a raid on the occupied Hamilton Hall and hundreds of arrests, has left the college community shattered.

The university president, Nemat Shafik, said that it was with great regret that she ordered the police raid against students and others she said had infiltrated the protest. It would “take time to heal”, she added in a message in the operation’s aftermath.

For students of this prestigious school in Manhattan, New York, how long is unclear.

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I was with them (because one SHOULD be able to exercise their constitutional rights) until they started breaking shit.

We have a right to peacefully assemble, not act like idiots.

Now, I still wish this was handled differently. They really should have tried to just go after the idiots and not everyone.

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No one listens to peaceful protesters

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Yes, they do.

The majority of sustained peaceful protests in US history have led to changes.

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These protests are probably more “peaceful” than the protests you have in mind. History books and media leave a lot of stuff out.

Also, one thing I’ve noticed during BLM, is the protests usually start off very peaceful, then police come in and escalate things. After getting gassed, pepper sprayed, beaten, and shot with rubber bullets, people don’t tend to be as peaceful anymore.

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But won’t somebody think of the property!

/s

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Like it or not that’s the only right you’re entitled to.

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Like it or not if people get mad enough they’re gonna stop being peaceful and fight for the change they want

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Then don’t give them your money or time and transfer to another school?

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Try not giving boomer ass platitudes that you have clearly put about 20 seconds of thought into.

Do you tell struggling minorities in southern states to ‘just move to a blue state’? I’m sure no one has forgotten this is an option, and I expect that future enrollment to the school is going to be way less, but this is an immediate problem and transferring is a semester-scale solution. Some of the students may be ready to graduate as well.

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Actually, a national student strike would be incredibly effective. Just like it was after Kent State.

You cannot fund weapons development on donations alone.

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Harvard makes more money from it’s investments than from tuition. I can’t even imagine what their land holdings are netting them.

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I totally agree! That will probably take some time to get up to speed but I would support that in any way I could

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The President needs to resign.

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I had never heard of her before. Wow:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minouche_Shafik

Nemat Talaat Shafik, Baroness Shafik, (Arabic: نعمت طلعت شفيق) DBE, HonFBA (born 13 August 1962), commonly known as Minouche Shafik (Arabic: مينوش شفيق), is a British-American academic and economist.[2] She has been serving as the 20th president of Columbia University since July 2023. She previously served as president and vice chancellor of the London School of Economics from 2017 to 2023.

From 2014 to 2017, Shafik served as deputy governor of the Bank of England and also previously as permanent secretary of the United Kingdom Department for International Development from 2008 to 2011.[3] She has also served as a vice president at the World Bank[4] and as deputy managing director of the International Monetary Fund.[5] She was created a life peeress by Elizabeth II in 2020.

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She’s taking a “World Bank” approach to this situation, that’s for sure. This quote by her is hilarious:

“The point of university is to be intellectually challenged and confronted with difference.” She argued that universities needed to ‘teach people to have difficult conversations’, adding: “It’s through that process of listening that you learn, you build consensus, and you move forward as a community."

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Columbia University’s Shafik, the Neoliberal https://www.salon.com/2024/04/28/columbia-crisis-another-massive-failure-of-liberalism/

“If you wanted to choose one individual as the face of “neoliberalism” for an encyclopedia entry, you could do a lot worse. Shafik holds an economics PhD from Oxford and a résumé of high-ranking positions at the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the Bank of England, three institutions that have been instrumental in driving developing nations into unsustainable debt in pursuit of a disastrously failed model of progress. She came to Columbia after six years of pushing fiscal austerity as director of the London School of Economics, where just last spring she helped defeat a student/faculty strike, reportedly by slashing salary payments and lowering graduation requirements to hustle student protesters out the door.”

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Cool. How about you listen to your fucking students then.

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Quotes by yourself that by yourself you will live down.

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GiGaLuL

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Those “peaceful protestors” were smashing windows and camping in tents on the lawn of the Universities. And that’s not even the worst part, where they are actively supporting Hamas. Sounds like they’re just angry about facing consequences, to me.

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get fucking bent you propagandist piece of shit

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Found the nazi

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Found the person who can’t make an independent coherent argument for their case, so they resort to overused name-calling.

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The guy who lied about smashing windows is mad about name-calling lol… Name calling is the kindest thing you could ask for, national zionist

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I don’t debate Nazi’s, you can fuck off and that’s all you get.

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Says the guy with a norse name two day old account. Whatever you Nazi.

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Sick genocide apologia bro

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Joined 2 days ago. Yep.

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OH LOOK A ONE TWO DAY OLD ACCOUNT

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Why does that matter, exactly? New accounts aren’t allowed to have an opinion? Or state facts?

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Could you respond to the people asking for facts instead of responding to these comments, then? Someone was asking in what ways the protesters are pro-Hamas, you could start there.

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You claim “facts” yet have no evidence. Provide evidence.

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That has a dog whistle norse name.

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You’ve just admitted that you’re a racist. Nice.

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Actively supporting Hamas? Explain.

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Oh no they camped in tents outside! How awful!

Also no they specifically said they were against genocide and calling for a ceasefire. Hamad didn’t come into it til a bunch of genocidal psychotic Zionists started saying it was anti semitism because apparently everything anyone does is anti Semitic now

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More broken windows. More. More.

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Camping sounds pretty peaceful.

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They RUINED the lawn! Years of tending down the drain!

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Only authoritarian governments crush student protests

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This is a private university crushing student protests.

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I didn’t know that the university had control over the NY police force.

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They don’t. That’s why they request police resources.

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Like they do with school shootings.

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With police, an apparatus of the state.

You have to work harder to come to that conclusion than just going “hey isn’t the police employed by the government?”

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But the state itself is controlled by corporate interests.

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Cool. Now do universities like UCLA and IU.

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Both universities are gonna have a real fun time explaining themselves in court, because I guarantee they’ll see lawsuits over this. Private universities get a lot of leeway over what they allow, but public universities are bound by the First Amendment. Any who are violating the protestors rights are gonna get fucked six ways to Sunday.

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They tear gassed students at my old public university. The way they’re being treated is ridiculous and completely out of line with previous protests.

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There’s a fucking sniper at my old university. On the roof of the student union building where my friends and I used to go smoke weed. That’s a head trip.

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Name a government that doesnt do their damndest to crush student protests.

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I struggle to think of a more authoritarian structure than the hierarchic state.

Stateless areas, such as Rojava and the Zapatistas are a good example of a “government” that doesn’t crush student protests, but they really don’t have them in the first place, since their bottom up structure makes it such that the students can directly use political power to prevent shit like supporting genocidal ethnic states.

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There are no universities there for students to protest in :(

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There are plenty in Europe.

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That isn’t the contradiction you imply…

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