Just remember in 20 years when nothing changes and life proceeds as normal. No one will care what you think then because the robbery will have been done.
Nothing changes and life proceeds as normal? Have you stepped outside in the last few years? Things are already changing.
Over the history of earth, much worse happened. Statistically, this change is nothing over the millions and even billions of years.
I maintain that nothing is changing, and we don’t even have close to enough data to judge an earth that’s 4.5 billion years old to know that anything is changing because of us, and that paying politicians more is the answer.
Wow, the denial is strong. People are actively dying this year because of events that would have been statistically improbable just 10 years ago. Considering how important agriculture is to feed billions of people on a daily basis I would argue that any change to that jeopardizes our existence; and this is just one of the many effective ways that climate change could destroy modern day society.
You can believe what you want and I hope you the luck to never encounter fires, deadly weather, water or food shortages as many people today are dying from.
I’m afraid you are severely mistaken. This is only the sixth mass extinction in Earth’s history, and the first one that was caused by a species that knew what it was doing. Even on the scale of billions of years, what’s going on right now is highly unusual.
Nor would any of the other mass-extinction events have been considered “life proceeds as normal”, if there were any humans around to witness them. Certainly a huge asteroid hitting the planet and shrouding it in dust for years would have turned some heads.
Spoiler alert: The civilization disrupting aspects of climate change are still decades out and the rich countries will probably be fine.
They’ll be fine because they can afford the infrastructure projects and increased costs of energy and food.
Now Africa, South America, the poorer Asian countries, tiny Pacific Island nations… Oh boy. I would not want to be a citizen there in 20 or 30 years.
Eventually sea level rise will become a really big fucking problem, like for every single coastal city in the world, even the rich ones. Luckily none of us will be around to see that unless some sort of miraculous life extension technology becomes available.
On the one hand I don’t like mentioning this because it gives the right wing ammunition to ignore climate change. But on the other hand some people have such existential dread about it that it’s damaging their mental health, they are really overestimating how damaging it will be in their lifetime in their rich country they live in.
Luckily none of us will be around to see that unless some sort of miraculous life extension technology becomes available.
I dunno mate… antarctica is collapsing much faster than anyone anticipated. Brazil’s winter was a scorcher.
Canada’s on fire. Tropical storms are hitting LA. sadlol… I suspect we might be around to see even worse.
Rule 1 of life: be skeptical when someone presents their opinion as facts.
Looking at Western European countries like Germany, the Netherlands and the UK to an extent, the road to net-zero is disrupting. Probably because necessary steps have been delayed until the last moment. Large numbers of refugees have a destabilising effect on democracy as well.
Some steps that are necessary for net-zero are expensive investments (like heat pumps) that are causing conflicts in society. Going ahead with it as well as delaying is sure to be met with very loud resistance. Don’t think that Germany can miss it’s climate goals without some serious protests, perhaps worse than they’ve ever seen.
At the same time, I wonder how well UK households are going to deal with even higher food prices as the percentage of failed harvests increases. There isn’t a lot of buffer space here.
It’s not so much whether rich countries have enough money to deal with climate change, but rather how well democracy will fare when it’s under duress.
I mean, I feel like this year in particular illustrates quite well that there are already very real impacts of climate change in rich countries, with Canada, Greece, Hawaii etc. burning. Which makes it worth to delay climate change as much as possible, even if we can’t or don’t want to stop it at livable levels.
You can’t have this both ways.
When a magat in the Senate brings in a snowball and says that global warming isn’t happening because it’s snowing…
“That’s weather not climate!”
When there’s a wildfire somewhere…
“That’s global warming!”
We can definitively say that this year is the hottest year on record, but we can’t attribute individual forest fires or tornadoes or hurricanes to climate change.
The others already pointed out that there’s a global, rising trend of climate disasters. I would like to qualify:
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This year did exceed everyone’s expectations. It’s the first year of El Niño after years of increasing temperatures, so while it didn’t come as a complete surprise, it could still be an anomaly.
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If you ask climate scientists, they’ll tell you lots of climate change effects that could contribute to these wildfires, but yeah, ultimately, they’ll say they won’t know for sure until they’ve seen the following years.
However, these are raging wildfires all around the globe, in regions that don’t normally have them and that aren’t linked to each other. At some point, it stops being “a wildfire somewhere” and starts to become a statistic.
Surface-level ocean temperatures are significantly higher this year, globally, than in previous years. We can’t explain such a global increase without climate change. And obviously, warm water evaporates differently, leading to unusual weather patterns, leading to droughts, which increases the likelihood of wildfires.
So, yeah, while the snowball is simply irrelevant to the topic, the wildfire statistic correlates with all our other statistics. You’d have to ignore a ton of evidence to not attribute the wildfires to climate change until proven differently.
Problem is also that there have always been catastrophes… Earthquakes, wildfires, tsunamis, hurricanes, etc.
Maybe in the past they should have also been attributed to climate change, but I don’t think the average human being can draw the distinction yet
, but I don’t think the average human being can draw the distinction yet
considering the massive heat domes spread worldwide, I suspect the average human has been more impacted than you have.
Brazil had a scorcher of a winter. Antarctica is falling apart much faster than anyone predicted.
Are we supposed to be comforted about the timeline being decades? That’s generations alive today.
Scientists are also finding their estimates getting outpaced alarmingly often right now.
The Russia Ukraine war has disrupted civilisation quite significantly with 6 million refugees. We could see over 1 BILLION climate refugees by 2050. 1000 MILLION people having to leave their homes.
We are on course for significant disruption to food supply before 1.5C warming. Doesn’t matter how rich your country is, with global food supplies low and that maybe people on the move, civilisation as we know it will change significantly. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/12/global-heating-likely-to-hit-world-food-supply-faster-than-expected-says-united-nations-desertification-expert
To be clear: I am not a doomerist. Don’t dwell on this and do nothing. Get angry! This is being done to you. This was not inevitable, it was the decisions of the most powerful and richest people in the world. Get out there and take action, the movement needs you.
You people think it will be a night and day collapse? Get real. The rich will continue to get richer and you’ll toil away in relative comfort as you do now.
You people think it will be a night and day collapse? Get real.
You know that’s the thing, nobody really knows. It’s all predictions based on necessarily flawed models. And they range from relatively mild changes until the turn of the century on the one hand, over methane released from thawing permafrost leading to a steep acceleration of warming in the middle, to having crossed an irreversible tipping point decades ago that will lead to an algae bloom in the oceans which will render the atmosphere unbreathable on the other hand. We can only hope it’s on the former end of the spectrum, but I wouldn’t bet on it personally.
We can’rt do shit. The only things rhat could potentially have any meaningful impact are government regulation or the killing of CEOs and big investors en masse, and neither one is going to happen.
It will seem far away until the day that your home is burning down or under water. And that day is coming.
Even if your particular house is in a safe location, you’re still fucked from all the other houses being flooded and burned down because that means disastrous effects on global supply chains including food and a massive refugee crisis the likes of which the world has literally never seen.
It’s an excellent moment to remind you that even if we manage to dodge this, there is still the heat death of the universe, so it’s just a matter of how long do we want to waste energy postponing the unavoidable
You do realize that the heat death of the universe would only likely take place in literally trillions and trillions and trillions of years time? Climate change is happening now.
Yeah, and dying today or in a trillion years is indifferent in the end, if it’ll end up happening anyways
Exactly. Climate change we have the chance to mitigate, and very possibly prevent / reverse. The heat death on the other hand is not only just a theory as to how the universe might end, but also something that would likely be completely out of our control, assuming that humans even survive a fraction of the time until then. Most likely, there’ll be something else that kills us first.
Slowly…
In human time, yes. In world time, no.
The problem IMHO is that the ”information“ feels like propaganda. “You need to stop doing this, because the planet needs you to“ I mean come on, 80% of all the greenhouse gas emissions come from 10 companies.
Don’t FridayForFuture us, FridayForFuture them.
Oh, and one thing to add to trigger a whole lot of people: Most of the people are dependent on those companies, because they earn too little to get an alternative. And saying they are the reason is like telling a POW that their crafting of shells kills Americans.
It’s not really propaganda, it’s just deflection. Call out corporations for contributing the most to the climate catastrophe, and they/the media/losers on social media immediately go “oh well what have you done personally to stop it” or “well you use their product means you’re part of the problem” or “you’re not recycling”, deflecting the blame from corporations to individuals.
As long as these people are in power, nothing is going to change, only half assed unhelpful compromises.
So… a lot of important people have to vanish… kind of like an undertale run where you kill all the bosses.
I also like to say “big oil paid you to say that!“ and just be ignorant. I know it didn’t happen, but their reaction is funny.
The final generation? Well they are strawmen who destroy the cars of normal people to bring hate towards those who are in for the movement.
Car dealerships in the US are whining that they can’t move the expensive EV’s car makers are producing. Meanwhile the world is burning. We need a crash program to replace every damned gas powered vehicle needed, while eliminating hundreds of thousands completely off the road where possible. Cities should have sidewalks, bikepaths, and mass rail transit everywhere in the US.
If we don’t do it, we’re pissing in the wind.
edit: same with renewable generation - no more nimby bullshit. build it all. no one’s view is worth another summer like this.
